How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[Artina-EU-PH]

This isn't an issue of me understanding the healer mentality. The behavior of healers shows that it is intentional griefing. Ignoring the buffs in the party list is literally just inexcusable ignorance. If it isn't griefing, then it's just plain ignorance, which what's the difference? You're still griefing at that point. As the police would tell you when pulled over, ignorance is not an excuse. And I'm 100% positive it puts Living Dead at the far left of the buff list when activated. The only way you don't see it as a healer, is if you are just completely ignoring the party list, or you have party buffs turned off, both of which are signs that you don't know a core component of doing your job.

First, the difference between griefing and ignorance, is that griefing includes intent. And that's a BIG difference. Your complains show that you know little about this game. There is a bunch of people who don't completely understand how their kit works, let alone knowing YOURS. Living Dead is still the worst invuln and arguably a knowledge check for your healer, and Dark Knight is still the worst tank for dungeons. It is the only tank where you depend a lot on your healer. You've low self sustain, and that is your real issue, the desing of your class. No healer is griefing you, and if you really believe it, you've a victim complex. You're just having healers that are not experienced and are constantly misjudging the situation. And that is OKAY because this game is meant to be played by EVERYONE in normal content, including those you call "ignorants". The game is both designed and thought that way. And I'm a big defender of the increase on difficulty, but that doesn't change that the people that are not skilled nor interested in be skilled deserve to be respected and that they deserve to play all normal content without being insulted.
As a healer player, and former main, for 9 years, I can tell you there's a significant difference between healing a Dark Knight, and any other tank. And I can do just fine because I know that and I can adapt to that, but someone who doesn't know, will not be able to judge the situation as well and might fail like in the cases you say. SEEING the buff doesn't mean UNDERSTANDING what that buff is, nor EXPECTING it to be used in that moment. And there's a lot of players who don't have that much knowledge, this game has 21 classes, it's normal.

Your real issue is your class and it's design, and you're blaming it on others and both insulting them and accusing them of purposedly attacking you.
Ask for changes to your class and stop expecting everyone to be as invested as you in knowing everyting. And if it annoyes you, change class temporally.

[AnjouMaaka]

First, the difference between griefing and ignorance, is that griefing includes intent. And that's a BIG difference. Your complains show that you know little about this game. There is a bunch of people who don't completely understand how their kit works, let alone knowing YOURS. Living Dead is still the worst invuln and arguably a knowledge check for your healer, and Dark Knight is still the worst tank for dungeons. It is the only tank where you depend a lot on your healer. You've low self sustain, and that is your real issue, the desing of your class. No healer is griefing you, and if you really believe it, you've a victim complex. You're just having healers that are not experienced and are constantly misjudging the situation. And that is OKAY because this game is meant to be played by EVERYONE in normal content, including those you call "ignorants". The game is both designed and thought that way. And I'm a big defender of the increase on difficulty, but that doesn't change that the people that are not skilled nor interested in be skilled deserve to be respected and that they deserve to play all normal content without being insulted.
As a healer player, and former main, for 9 years, I can tell you there's a significant difference between healing a Dark Knight, and any other tank. And I can do just fine because I know that and I can adapt to that, but someone who doesn't know, will not be able to judge the situation as well and might fail like in the cases you say. SEEING the buff doesn't mean UNDERSTANDING what that buff is, nor EXPECTING it to be used in that moment. And there's a lot of players who don't have that much knowledge, this game has 21 classes, it's normal.

Your real issue is your class and it's design, and you're blaming it on others and both insulting them and accusing them of purposedly attacking you.
Ask for changes to your class and stop expecting everyone to be as invested as you in knowing everyting. And if it annoyes you, change class temporally.

You can take that paragraph and shove it back down your throat where it belongs, because I can tell by the first line that you clearly had a major reading comprehension failure, and willingly ignored the entire first 4 pages of the thread before posting that.

[AnjouMaaka]

Amazes me how many come here and instead of adding to my feedback about Living Dead, they choose to make stupid comments like "just play warrior" or seek personal conflict by attacking my character as if they know me better than they know myself. And I'm the one being toxic?

I shouldn't have to go into this, but since everyone still thinks they know me better than I know myself, here we go, again.

I have savage clears as dark knight, warrior, ninja, white mage, scholar, machinist and summoner. My EX clears include even more of the jobs. I have more than enough knowledge and experience with the game. It's not some victim mentality. I'm simply sick of seeing the invuln griefed. An invuln should be an invuln, not something that relies on the healer knowing what's going on. If I'm having to pop the invuln on a dungeon pull, something is going terribly wrong somewhere, and since I know what I'm doing with the job, it's not on my shoulders. It might have been when I was new to the game, but I've long since graduated from MSQ content.

I am a mentor that actively helps when asked and if need be, I show how it's done. The only people I see putting me in a situation where I feel like the invuln is needed in the first place, are other mentors, or players that are just not sprouts. When I get a sprout healer, I actually rejoice because I know I'm going to be overhealed so much that I don't even need my mitigation, much less the invuln. Sadly, I'm hardly asked, and that's fine. If they want to figure it out on their own, I'm not going to stop them.

Unfortunately, the manner in which I see Living Dead get griefed is definitely a sign that it is intentional. If dark knight isn't getting healed enough, they are very likely to pop the invuln. They just aren't going to sit there and do nothing while the healer continues to not baby the one tank that actually needs to be healed constantly. So when you actively put us in that situation, you are choosing to have this frustration eventually brought up, because it's preventable. We should not have to use Living Dead in the first place. I get good healers that probably wouldn't grief it, but they don't put me in a position where I need to use it in the first place.

Again, this is not victim mentality. It's active frustration due to how often this occurs and voicing my feedback, although it is negative, is not the same as having a victim mentality. If that was my goal, I would have said something along the lines of "I can't believe Square Enix still allows this to happen in their game." or "All of these healers should be banned for intentional griefing." Did I ask for them to be banned? No. I am asking for our invuln activation to not rely on other players knowing how it works. It's that simple. The design of Living Dead is just completely flawed and needs to be turned into a normal invuln.

[AnjouMaaka]

Also, every single player that's come in here and made comments as if they know me better than I know myself appears to be a healer main. Imagine that, the loud minority comes out to defend and justify their toxic behavior, or try to redirect the accountability, all because they've finally been called out on some of their BS.

Xenos was right about you loud minority types. You live in a fantasy land because you've had the devs wrapped around your finger for a long time, and the devs are finally so bored themselves that they said enough is enough and increased the normal content difficulty by like 10%. News flash, the world doesn't revolve around you.

[Naychan]

Actually you come off quite harsh in a few places. In no way did i see any of your posts as a complaint and definitely more of an attack. I’m sure you can be a nice person but insisting that all healers just want to piss you off is really a bad start to the conversation. If the devs actually listened to healers most of us would not be falling asleep though 95% of the content. The real problem is, one most people have no idea what living dead looks like because most healers try to not let darks get that low. The 2nd issue, SQE has made the healers job so brain dead that they have trained people to pretty much sleep though boss encounters and not pay attention. Please remember SQE is dumbed it down so much it’s pretty much painful at this point. Third, it’s just a bad ability. Healers are really only expecting your health to drop at certain points of the fights because they are ALL scripted the same. When you drop health to 0 all of a sudden nobody and I mean NOBODY is thinking “Oh let me check their buffs”. They are thinking OH CHIT the tank is going to die. Instincts kick in and the heal the heck out of you. So please call out what you are doing most people glance at the chat and will see it and let you have your living dead moment.

[AnjouMaaka]

Actually you come off quite harsh in a few places. In no way did i see any of your posts as a complaint and definitely more of an attack. I’m sure you can be a nice person but insisting that all healers just want to piss you off is really a bad start to the conversation. If the devs actually listened to healers most of us would not be falling asleep though 95% of the content. The real problem is, one most people have no idea what living dead looks like because most healers try to not let darks get that low. The 2nd issue, SQE has made the healers job so brain dead that they have trained people to pretty much sleep though boss encounters and not pay attention. Please remember SQE is dumbed it down so much it’s pretty much painful at this point. Third, it’s just a bad ability. Healers are really only expecting your health to drop at certain points of the fights because they are ALL scripted the same. When you drop health to 0 all of a sudden nobody and I mean NOBODY is thinking “Oh let me check their buffs”. They are thinking OH CHIT the tank is going to die. Instincts kick in and the heal the heck out of you. So please call out what you are doing most people glance at the chat and will see it and let you have your living dead moment.

Scholar main, trying to give advice to a tank main, who didn't ask for advice, and is simply here to voice their frustration and has explained how this happens multiple times and definitely explained that it is not new to healing healers doing it. Take your advice back to the healer forums where it belongs. This is a feedback thread, not a quest for help.