How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[Scardrak]

I'm leveling my DRK right now (lvl 55) and I haven't pressed it yet. The tooltip doesn't make much sense to me either. I'll probably watch a video on it in a minute. I know if I play a healer and someone's HP drops to 1 I'm probably going to panic and smash every key I have. Now why they would stop healing after that is a mystery unless you're yelling to stop healing you during LD and they see it at that point and just stop healing. No clue man but I have my doubts everyone's out to get you.

[AnjouMaaka]

I'm leveling my DRK right now (lvl 55) and I haven't pressed it yet. The tooltip doesn't make much sense to me either. I'll probably watch a video on it in a minute. I know if I play a healer and someone's HP drops to 1 I'm probably going to panic and smash every key I have. Now why they would stop healing after that is a mystery unless you're yelling to stop healing you during LD and they see it at that point and just stop healing. No clue man but I have my doubts everyone's out to get you.

First off, you've barely touched the job. I'm not out here saying everyone is out to get me. It is a legitimate complaint about the dungeon experience for the job. And it's not only when I play dark knight in dungeons. I've yet to see living dead not be griefed at all regardless of whether I'm the one playing dark knight, or someone else. I have experience as a healer as well. I certainly wouldn't do this when the tank is a dark knight, but I also don't put them in a situation where they feel like they need to invuln in the first place. Huge difference between not needing to invuln at all and being drug through the mud so hard that you come out feeling like a rung out and reused condom.

[Purrnauskis]

There shouldn't need to be any kind of communication for LD in a dungeon considering it has a VERY OBVIOUS sound cue and it shows on the buff lists. It's only inexcusable if you are still new to the game/sprout and don't know any better.

Then again, I have it on a macro that will ping and post in the chat but healers will still benediction me the first chance they get.

[Derio]

The soulution is to play WAR. They look at player numbers. If no one is playing DRK then they will look into seeing why people arent playing it.

[AnjouMaaka]

The soulution is to play WAR. They look at player numbers. If no one is playing DRK then they will look into seeing why people arent playing it.

Saying this is actually toxic at this point. You know the job has sucked in dungeons the past 5 years before even saying this, and that the player numbers for the job have been steadily dwindling already and that there is more than enough feedback about how much the job sucks in dungeons here in the forums. I already burned myself out on warrior. And gunbreaker and paladin both suck gameplay-wise imo. Dark knight is hella fun to play in raids. Getting the job leveled to that point is the problem. Playing warrior is not the solution. I already stated the only 2 possible solutions that would fix the problem of living dead being griefed, one of which would remove the need to use it in dungeons in the first place. The other would just be the justice the job deserves. In fact, let's edit the only two options for fixing this malicious behavior from healers:

1. Raw Intuition becomes a tank role ability given to all tanks at level 15 with their first AoE skill.
2. Living Dead now reflects all outside healing back at the source as a reflected damage for 4 times the heal potency.

Number 2 because that would be freaking hilarious.

[Alice_Rivers]

Saying this is actually toxic at this point. You know the job has sucked in dungeons the past 5 years before even saying this, and that the player numbers for the job have been steadily dwindling already and that there is more than enough feedback about how much the job sucks in dungeons here in the forums. I already burned myself out on warrior. And gunbreaker and paladin both suck gameplay-wise imo. Dark knight is hella fun to play in raids. Getting the job leveled to that point is the problem. Playing warrior is not the solution. I already stated the only 2 possible solutions that would fix the problem of living dead being griefed, one of which would remove the need to use it in dungeons in the first place. The other would just be the justice the job deserves. In fact, let's edit the only two options for fixing this malicious behavior from healers:

1. Raw Intuition becomes a tank role ability given to all tanks at level 15 with their first AoE skill.

Seriously what the hell? DRK is my favourite tank, it's the most susceptible to damage, actually needs me to do my job rather than do maintenance or wish I were playing a dps on account of being pointless weight on the party. As far as I can tell from this thread you are the only person having this "griefing" problem.

2. Living Dead now reflects all outside healing back at the source as a reflected damage for 4 times the heal potency.

Number 2 because that would be freaking hilarious.

And then you call other people toxic...

[AnjouMaaka]

The hypocrites are out in droves.
And nobody cares about healers being able to have their heals be useful in dungeons. And even if they did give all tanks raw intuition, warrior would still be the superior self sustain tank, and you would still have plenty of bad tanks to heal. And self-healing doesn't reduce the job's susceptibility to damage. Dark Knight actually has the most mitigation. But mitigation only reduces damage taken, it provides zero self sustain. Tanks are supposed to be hard to kill, not torn through like paper, and that's what dark knight is right now, a pitiful piece of paper.

[Alice_Rivers]

Yes, tanks are supposed to be hard to kill, not impossible. Healers are supposed to heal, that we can clear content without healing (worse in some cases without the healer role at all) is a damning reflection of the game's tank balance. DRK is the last vestige of healthy tank balance, PLD and GNB while not immortal healer replacers like WAR are still excessively tough, I would prefer to see them made more reliant on healers like DRKs are. Of course, to you I'm just a healer main, a hypocrite and "nobody". I'll close this post by mentioning that my pocket DRK is immensely difficult to kill, I can do maintenance healing and they don't have to touch LD.

[AnjouMaaka]

Dark Night needs more sustain ofc.
But, as a healer main. I don't think us, healers (except some silly player there can be out there) are thinking in griefing any tank lmao. We just want to do the duties.

But if a healer sees you at 200 hp, as they don't want you to die, will try to raise your health fast to make sure you don't die.

Not all buffs are shown in the party, only some of them and also not everyone is like "oh, tank at 200hp, let's have a look at his buffs, does he have living dead active?"

So, ok, dark knight needs more sustain and living dead should have a way of fixing this issue.

But wtf no one is griefing you.

This isn't an issue of me understanding the healer mentality. The behavior of healers shows that it is intentional griefing. Ignoring the buffs in the party list is literally just inexcusable ignorance. If it isn't griefing, then it's just plain ignorance, which what's the difference? You're still griefing at that point. As the police would tell you when pulled over, ignorance is not an excuse. And I'm 100% positive it puts Living Dead at the far left of the buff list when activated. The only way you don't see it as a healer, is if you are just completely ignoring the party list, or you have party buffs turned off, both of which are signs that you don't know a core component of doing your job.

Yes, tanks are supposed to be hard to kill, not impossible. Healers are supposed to heal, that we can clear content without healing (worse in some cases without the healer role at all) is a damning reflection of the game's tank balance. DRK is the last vestige of healthy tank balance, PLD and GNB while not immortal healer replacers like WAR are still excessively tough, I would prefer to see them made more reliant on healers like DRKs are. Of course, to you I'm just a healer main, a hypocrite and "nobody". I'll close this post by mentioning that my pocket DRK is immensely difficult to kill, I can do maintenance healing and they don't have to touch LD.

So basically you only go in with your FB when you queue into content, which means you have no grounds to speak for doing this with randos.

[Alice_Rivers]

So basically you only go in with your FB when you queue into content, which means you have no grounds to speak for doing this with randos.

You really wanna wind me up, don't you? Not that you'd have considered the possibility that my schedule or in game interests might not align perfectly with those of my friends and that as a consequence I might do more duties without them than with. I don't know what's going on over on Primal DC but as evidenced by the people in this thread, it's pretty clearly a localised issue either to that data centre or just you. It certainly is not representative of a game balance problem.

I could point to all the instances I see of tanks in general pulling W2W with no thought to aggro management and seemingly not having mitigations on their bars, are they griefing? Do healers need broken buffs or malicious effects to replace their role? No, on both counts, they're just incompetent and the game should both demand and teach them to be better.