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    I don't disagree with the complaint that the way gearing works is painful for people who like playing multiple jobs, but anyone who claims it is trolling/griefing to play content with a few bits of gear that aren't the bleeding edge maxed out bis is toxic as hell and it's going to be miserable playing with them even when you are fully geared to the absolute best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ValynS View Post
    I don't disagree with the complaint that the way gearing works is painful for people who like playing multiple jobs, but anyone who claims it is trolling/griefing to play content with a few bits of gear that aren't the bleeding edge maxed out bis is toxic as hell and it's going to be miserable playing with them even when you are fully geared to the absolute best.
    I wouldn't say it is trolling/griefing, however, I would feel like I am griefing if I went into content on an alt job with worse gear than my main.
    Consider this scenario which has happened to me quite a few times before in savage; I go into a PF and I want to play on an alt. We enrage at a low percentage, it's entirely possibly that had I been on my main, we might have killed it instead. In my opinion, I feel like I griefed the group. The other 7 people in the party are outside my control, but there were absolutely things I could have done that would have prevented the enrage, namely, playing a better geared job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collin_Sky View Post
    I wouldn't say it is trolling/griefing, however, I would feel like I am griefing if I went into content on an alt job with worse gear than my main.
    Consider this scenario which has happened to me quite a few times before in savage; I go into a PF and I want to play on an alt. We enrage at a low percentage, it's entirely possibly that had I been on my main, we might have killed it instead. In my opinion, I feel like I griefed the group. The other 7 people in the party are outside my control, but there were absolutely things I could have done that would have prevented the enrage, namely, playing a better geared job.
    It's a fact that any tier can be cleared in just crafted gear. That leaves this being a skill issue. This is not a knock, but if you are hitting enrage, it's 100% skill issue and not a gear issue. That doesn't mean just you personally, but as a group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menriq View Post
    It's a fact that any tier can be cleared in just crafted gear. That leaves this being a skill issue. This is not a knock, but if you are hitting enrage, it's 100% skill issue and not a gear issue. That doesn't mean just you personally, but as a group.
    I week 1 clear the Savage tiers, I'm well aware of this. That doesn't mean I don't personally feel responsible if I could have prevented an enrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menriq View Post
    It's a fact that any tier can be cleared in just crafted gear. That leaves this being a skill issue. This is not a knock, but if you are hitting enrage, it's 100% skill issue and not a gear issue. That doesn't mean just you personally, but as a group.
    cough cough P8S with horrible balance and devs not testing raids at all

    Worse, there is no proof we won't see same trash again, since abyssos min ilvl for savage feels like a suggestion with rolling dice on not trash balance
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