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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyxls View Post
    Vrtra/Varshahn doesn't count because it's an alchemized puppet body.
    Okay, so he doesn't count because his body isn't real apparently. Even though he's there, with us, physically, with Vrtra explaining why he needed a body to begin with.
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    Tired of hearing about 'representation' in real life I don't need it in my video games. Isn't this what twitter/x is for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    I agree that there needs to be more race representation.

    I explored Solution 9 yesterday and dind't see a single Au'ra.
    Even the Miqo'te were quite a few between.

    It could be reasoned that those died when that shard was ravaged by lightning or rejoined if it was but at least I would like in game telling and maybe one or two quests about that stuff.

    I think there are a bit too much Hyur sometimes and I wished there was more diversity.

    Did we ever really have a Duskwhight somewere in the story other then the lancer questline?
    I mean it is explicitely stated that the only residents of Alexandria were Hyur, Elezen, and Lalafells.

    Miqo'te and Viera were scooped up when the dome appeared.
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  4. #24
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    Emilin Gelgumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    EW was an Au Ra expansion. So it is enogh for now.



    Cheers
    Just to clarify, i'm talking about actual characters within the story. I'm not taking into account generic NPC population within cities but story characters.
    The only one who actually tags along with us for a significant amount of time is not even a real Au Ra but a guy on a vessel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    I mean it is explicitely stated that the only residents of Alexandria were Hyur, Elezen, and Lalafells.

    Miqo'te and Viera were scooped up when the dome appeared.
    Well, you seem familiar.

    Also, au ra have a whole zone for themselves, and it's lore accurate that Xaela concentrate there. Raen are in Thavnair and Hingashi, that's also lore accurate. Not every race will be everywhere.

    Meanwhile, we still haven't seen anything for Hellguard roes or Duskwights, and the lore of miqo'te has barely been explored this xpac.

    As a lalafell who keeps winning lorewise I say, let others have the spotlight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post
    Also, au ra have a whole zone for themselves, and it's lore accurate that Xaela concentrate there. Raen are in Thavnair and Hingashi, that's also lore accurate. Not every race will be everywhere.
    Like i mentioned before, i'm mostly talking about MSQ characters, not representation as NPCs in the world.
    Duskwights at the very least have finally gotten just a tiny bit of representation with the whole solution 9 elezen folk being Dusk, this is not saying other races shouldn't get represented just cuz i want Au Ra story characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelgumi View Post
    Like i mentioned before, i'm mostly talking about MSQ characters, not representation as NPCs in the world.
    Duskwights at the very least have finally gotten just a tiny bit of representation with the whole solution 9 elezen folk being Dusk, this is not saying other races shouldn't get represented just cuz i want Au Ra story characters.
    There have been many au'ra MSQ characters. *Many.* Even in EW alone. I know it's been a few years since SB but Sadu, Cirna, and Magnai all have frequently reappeared in MSQ for a start.

    I get the passion, I've been a loud outcryer for hellsguard rep for 10 years for likewise just wanting to see More, but you can't be that blind to the amount of tangible, namable characters who're au'ra that've been in the MSQ. No, you cannot argue that Vrtra's simulacrum isn't representation because guess what: he was made that way to suit both his cover and because it made him naturally fit in with Ahewann. The amount of them in sidequests too is quite a large sample size as well.

    They are over-represented. Let other races shine for a bit. Let the new lore for existing ones relevant to a whole new continent actually develop as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faiarrow View Post
    There have been many au'ra MSQ characters. *Many.* Even in EW alone. I know it's been a few years since SB but Sadu, Cirna, and Magnai all have frequently reappeared in MSQ for a start.

    I get the passion, I've been a loud outcryer for hellsguard rep for 10 years for likewise just wanting to see More, but you can't be that blind to the amount of tangible, namable characters who're au'ra that've been in the MSQ. No, you cannot argue that Vrtra's simulacrum isn't representation because guess what: he was made that way to suit both his cover and because it made him naturally fit in with Ahewann. The amount of them in sidequests too is quite a large sample size as well.

    They are over-represented. Let other races shine for a bit. Let the new lore for existing ones relevant to a whole new continent actually develop as well.

    I don't really understand this sentimentality of "If this race gets represented, it means these other ones won't!" because i am not advocating for other races/clans to not be represented (because a lot of the arguments against what i said was mostly focused on clans and not the race as a whole).
    The perfect example of what i want is a character like Yugiri, which she was nice, but she got written hard out of the story, and she'll probably never be relevant again.
    The argument still falls apart because the context of why it's used doesn't equal he's an actual au ra character, he's just a Dragon who uses an Au Ra shape when he has to tag around.

    I want other races to be represented too, i still believe dusk elezen should get their lore actually elavorated because since ARR they forgot there's a whole city underneath Gridania. I think it's stupid to dismiss the argument entirely like it's a fight of who gets the screen time and who doesn't.

    On the matter of characters, i think Mikoto should've been promoted to MSQ character long ago, since she was very likeable and would fit right away with the rest of the cast. That, or let us meet her supposed sister who's out there in the world but we don't know much about.
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    Your reading comprehension is abysmal...

    Nowhere am I saying what you said re: "If this race gets represented, it means these other ones won't!". Do not put words in my mouth.
    I'm simply stating the very clear fact of we have a TON of au'ra in MSQ for the last 5 years. It's OK for them to have a break.

    Gods knows we'll get heaps of them anyway because Yoshida's personal character is auri.

    Peace.
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    ローエンガルデはその人種的特徴を維持する資格がある。CBU3は女性ルガディンのノーズ灰と黒目の瞳孔を調整してください。 私たちはゼーヴォルフ族ではありません。

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelgumi View Post
    Like i mentioned before, i'm mostly talking about MSQ characters, not representation as NPCs in the world.
    Duskwights at the very least have finally gotten just a tiny bit of representation with the whole solution 9 elezen folk being Dusk, this is not saying other races shouldn't get represented just cuz i want Au Ra story characters.
    An entire zone dedicated to xaela customs and society it's far more than anyone could ask for and on top of that, they had rep during the campaing in Garlemald, the only ones close to that are lalafell with alo alo, and if we're using your argument, then we got shafted too on that regard since alo alo is not part of the msq.
    Meanwhile, we got one npc duskwight and a villain in a job quest back in ARR And hellguards? Do they even exist?

    When we go to areas where isolationist people roam, then we'll see them again, but so far, they had a good run.
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