Difficulty of normal content.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I wanted to wait to see the raid tier before I say anything. There are already post about dungeon and trial difficulty, and now normal raids should be thrown into the discussion too, and I might repeat points already said but I think we should really make a point of this, we (the people not ok with this difficulty) need for the devs to hear it to hopefully make a course correction.

The problem with the difficulty on normal fights as I see it is:
-Use and abuse of non standard telegraphs.
-Nasty mechanic overlaps, stuff you would see on extreme and harder fights.
-Mechs resolving too quickly for the mental capacity they demand to process.
-One too many "catch this!" mech (mechs that have you running around like headless chicken evading seemingly random patterns).

All this has been making fights in this expansion frustrating and exhausting.

The Honey B fight had me wishing for the healer to not raise me, I was there in the floor, dead for the Nth time, thinking that I don't really want to be on that duty.

And it's not an issue of learning the fight, because that I can do, but we don't do this content alone, you know? I think it was the 4th time I was doing Valigarmanda when I finally managed to finish without dying myself, but that's a moot point when half the party was dead half of the time, even knowing the fight doesn't make it any less of a disheartening experience.

And yes, this concerns normal raids too even if they are optional content. In fact I gonna take the skip option for this raid tier, something I haven't done since I started playing in SB. And that's the point really, for the most part in the past 3 expansions difficulty for normal content was fair outside of some hiccup here and there.

I firmly believe that content meant to be done via the duty finder (where you don't choose who you playing with) shouldn't be this level of punishing. And I know that JP people do savage in the duty finder but we don't do that in NA or EU, for better or worse western players doesn't behave like JP players.

Finally I think that people that thrive with difficulty (the ones that demand harder content) already have extremes, savages, ultimate, criterion dungeons, and more (Yoshi-p is even touting of savage alliances), this people is eating really, really good. Do they need to take normal content too? Can casual players have something easy-ish to play? Please?

you are right, your post is hyperbole, the games normal content is not hard, it might be a small step up from what we had, but its not "too hard"
Yoshi said content was going to get harder. Come on we are in the 5th expansion, if you cant keep up at this point, the problem might be you, not the game.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I mean honestly, Game Journos always finish the latest Fromsoft game in like 4 days and without a guide. So it's kind of funny to see people act like none of them can play video games to this day.

you think they finish the game? lol... yeah no....

[Slab_Rockjaw]

I mean honestly, Game Journos always finish the latest Fromsoft game in like 4 days and without a guide. So it's kind of funny to see people act like none of them can play video games to this day.

You do know they have access to the game long before we do, and they have discords and channels set up to help each other, right?

Like, obviously there are journos who are gonna be good, and journos who are gonna be bad. Not every game is for everyone and that includes journos.

Yet the consensus in the reviews is: FFXIV Dawntrail Content is good, which is the core take away for the person who originally brought up the low scores for Dawntrail like some le epic own against the difficulty of the game.

[Conando]

you think they finish the game? lol... yeah no....

Gene Park certainly did, but he's like the only Game Journo I follow anymore.

[Conando]

You do know they have access to the game long before we do, and they have discords and channels set up to help each other, right?

Like, obviously there are journos who are gonna be good, and journos who are gonna be bad. Not every game is for everyone and that includes journos.

Yet the consensus in the reviews is: FFXIV Dawntrail Content is good, which is the core take away for the person who originally brought up the low scores for Dawntrail like some le epic own against the difficulty of the game.

Oh I know, but I was just pointing out that it was stupid to even go from the angle that it was reviewing poorly due to difficulty when that had almost never been a thing with game reviews. Also if the person that started this actually read them the complaints were about the MSQ being messy.

[Fwha]

I've been playing the game on and off since ARR and nothing has really been all that difficult. There is a slight learning curve but it's not that bad. I've cleared Dragonsong Reprise and The Omega Protocol on the patches they were released and have cleared just about every savage tier that I've been subbed for besides Gordias in HW because I didn't have a group at the time and pf couldn't make it past a3s because of skill issues. I died a lot during the first normal raid boss on my first attempt when I didn't know anything but the second time I went in, I didn't die once and maybe got 1 vuln stack. I've griefed numerous times in one of the extremes although not really on purpose but the more I see the mechanics, the more I'm understanding and making less mistakes. It's really not that bad.

[Domi060288]

I wanted to wait to see the raid tier before I say anything. There are already post about dungeon and trial difficulty, and now normal raids should be thrown into the discussion too, and I might repeat points already said but I think we should really make a point of this, we (the people not ok with this difficulty) need for the devs to hear it to hopefully make a course correction.

The problem with the difficulty on normal fights as I see it is:
-Use and abuse of non standard telegraphs.
-Nasty mechanic overlaps, stuff you would see on extreme and harder fights.
-Mechs resolving too quickly for the mental capacity they demand to process.
-One too many "catch this!" mech (mechs that have you running around like headless chicken evading seemingly random patterns).

…….

If you say it’s to hard I am here to say it’s just ok and it can also get harder. The community don’t need the ongoing handholding the community needs to get better. Fights are a big part of every mmorpg. After so many addons it’s time to git gud.

-No Enrage you can take long to get it done.
-Even with 9 deaths no problem to get the fight done.

For many players it’s hard to stay awake in so slow fights.

I believe the ones who want it to stay or harder are more players. So I am here to hold against you.

[SirShady]

Agreed, the new content itself is good. It's not as hard as you want to think that it is. I don't understand why everyone else is acting like it's such a big change, but you are.

Hypocrisy. 99% of people thought it was a good change and left feedback as such. The people who think its a "big change" are people like the OP who are freaking out about dying to content on day 1 and get defensive when told "maybe you should give it time or practice".

You and your acolytes are using these tiny raid changes as an excuse to lash out against one single person who has a criticism to make. There are over 900 posts in this thread now. Most of which are spewing vitriol against just one person.

Me and my acolytes? What the hell are you on about? I'm just one dude. You're on a controversial post that went viral because it is so easily disagreed with by the vast majority of the playerbase. I'm sorry it upsets you that some people might not sugarcoat their opinion, but that's the nature of the internet. You got to learn to see past that stuff and actually engage in the conversation.

I wish the players could respect what the devs were trying to do, but you don't. You want it to be "your time". You all saw the smidgen of changes happening in raids and used them as a shield to do things that are very against TOS.

What are you TALKING ABOUT? I don't respect what the devs were trying to do? I want it to be "my time"? You do realize all I said was "most players like the change", right? Nothing against OP's opinion. I didn't even state MY opinion. Just "hey, try considering it from another perspective" and yet you're hear labeling me as some kind of self-centered belligerent hivemind. Everyone here is an individual. I did not tell someone to uninstall the game. Stop derailing the conversation and acting like I'm responsible for stuff other people have said.

Nah, you know what, you deserve all the crap coming to you. If you want to be that confrontational and delusional flying into a victim complex rant over someone asking you to reconsider how the other side feel, you don't deserve respect. If you can't separate individuals from each other and can't see past some less than flattering words on an internet forum to actually have a discussion, you shouldn't be on the internet.

Uninstall you fragile-minded nutcase.

[Jukebox12]

honestly i left FF14 to play wow cause the Difficulty of this game is way too EASY . honestly the Normal raids of past expansion reminds me of LFR in wow. Get some ilvl then comeback into the normal raids. Overall this Thread is a joke

[Rynn21]

They're covering your post, because it's so silly.
The honest comments are spot on in your replies, especially from Sacae and RedDeathXR. We're past level 90 content. Yes, some mechanics are faster, but just learn them. It's ok to fail a few times. Just read the tells. The only times I died in the dungeons was because of trusts and their need to move into your space. The first EX was cleared with 30 minutes left on the timer, so honestly cleared faster than a lot of extremes I've done in the past.
First people complained that the content was too easy, and now that it isn't, people are complaining AGAIN. I hope the devs don't revert it cause of the vocal minority. I've been playing since ARR beta. I was tired of falling asleep during dungeons. I don't even do much savage and never have done an ultimate, at least yet.
The new raid is also just a bit faster. I died to all but the third. It's OK. Get back up and try again.
The few with anxiety, I hope they get some therapy. I mean this sincerely and without intent of insult. It sounds awful to have, but an mmo might not be the game for you or just play with trusts where you can. Trusts also help you learn mechanics. They're there for a reason. Use the tools that are given to you.