Difficulty of normal content.

[Skullmakerdemon]

Jesus Christ.

I've been playing this game since 2.1 and I was folding my hands over my head everytime the content got easier and easier. The content that is optional, that is.

If you can't handle it, deal with it and move on. Don't drag the experience down for people who enjoy challenging content.


And you, my man. People play Ultimates and Savage mostly for the challenge and the prestige you get from clearing it. And how do you flex that you killed it? Titles, Adventurer Card customization, weapons and mounts. And this is the reason why you get stuff to flex with. Because it's proof you're good at the game. It's not necessarily about the rewards themselves.

[jdtuggey]

Uh? Yeah????? I like cool mounts and gear???? I think the majority of raiders do aswell. Like you gotta be trolling now, there's no why you think people are just gonna put up with a whole raid tier just to get NOTHING right? Weapons, Mounts, Titles, Orchestrion Rolls it doesn't matter. People like being rewarded for their hard work. Do you seriously think people would do TOP, DSR or any other hard content if they didn't get a damn thing? God your arguments are just pathetic.

There's absolutely people that clear content just to show people they can. That's essentially the function of a title. Your own post defeats itself. :P
To be fair, showing people they can is a reward in its own rights I guess ? :P
I think this post comes from not really understanding why people raid stuff like ultimates in the first place.
I think a good parallel would be world firsts or people who do speedrunning. Neither want a concrete reward from the raid or their runs. They just want to prove they're capable.
Insert obligatory #notallraiders disclaimer here

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

So you are going to just become a problem because you don't care to learn? Lol you are actually toxic, keep projecting onto those who care enough to learn and grow in the game they enjoy playing. You obviously care enough to make a post in the forums, and yet the second you get pushback, it becomes a huge issue. This was bold to post, and the majority of people calling you out with plausible, well thought-out responses are "toxic". My gosh.

[ArielTimeshrine]

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

Go ahead and do it. The moment somebody with two braincells sees that happen they can hit you with a ToS violation for obstruction of play. If you have to break ToS to play this game how you want, then get out.

[Kai-XP]

On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

I think this aside is unnecessary to the conversation and lacks context to the issue of Criterion Dungeons/ Criterion Savage. Criterion Dungeons and Savages are highly engaging pieces of content, but outside of AloAlo Island Savage, why would the average player want to go back into the content if the rewards for doing said content amounts to Materia? After the the 1st clear it'd be like, "wow this was great, but what's the point of doing it again even though it's great content"

[MakariaZofura]

I think this aside is unnecessary to the conversation and lacks context to the issue of Criterion Dungeons/ Criterion Savage. Criterion Dungeons and Savages are highly engaging pieces of content, but outside of AloAlo Island Savage, why would the average player want to go back into the content if the rewards for doing said content amounts to Materia? After the the 1st clear it'd be like, "wow this was great, but what's the point of doing it again even though it's great content"

I did the second criterion dungeon, and it was really fun. We did 27 clears to get all the rewards.

And sure, it was a good time, but the reward wasn't worth the effort. I don't think the problem is that the rewards weren't good enough (the mount is cool) or the content wasn't good enough (it was actually great), the problem for me is that 27 clears is too many clears. It's just a tad too much grind for what you get.

[Kiurt]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

I love how you again took only some part of what was said, this time about criterion. The fights themselves weren't interesting. Difficulty for the sake of difficulty isn't "fun". There's a middle ground to have between interesting mechanics and difficulty to do them.

So no, the rewards weren't the ONLY reason that criterion wasn't played. Replayability was also an issue.

[buppers]

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.

with full respect, if you do not try then you will not improve. this isn't something that only applies to savage raiders, but to everyone. by refusing to do the content—which, in all fairness, you're well within your rights to do—you are stifling your potential for improvement, thus making things harder for yourself and the game less enjoyable.

you'll find that a lot of Dawntrail content design revolves around a surprise gimmick that typically will get most players the first time they encounter it. my honest advice (to you, and anyone else who feels similarly) is this: change how you view this game and the challenges it offers. instead of throwing your arms up and going "well that's it then i simply can't do it so i won't try to", cultivate a better response to gameplay failures in yourself so you don't take it as harshly. look at what the people that are successfully clearing/dodging a mechanic are doing. ask yourself WHY you died. what did they do differently to you? how are they moving around the arena? ask your party if anyone has any advice if you're struggling. people are more than willing to offer help if you request it.

take the initiative to grow, rather than just lamenting and calling it quits. you can get better at the game. it is not impossible. it is not "too hard to be cleared casually". you've simply experienced a degree of face rollable mechanics (that the development team has clearly recognised was lazy, boring, and made for unengaging gameplay) and are now being asked to put a little more thought into playing.

edit: also, i would advise you don't simply queue into parties to grief them because you're frustrated. that's a ticket to getting yourself reported and suspended.

[Mister_Snakebite]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

Hey, can somebody clarify something for me, isn't that reportable? Just dying, refusing raids and refusing to play the game? Did you get through all the tougher fights by just dying and letting somebody carry you through it?
This is not massively difficult content. You're max level. You should know what you're doing by now.

[ArielTimeshrine]

Hey, can somebody clarify something for me, isn't that reportable? Just dying, refusing raids and refusing to play the game? Did you get through all the tougher fights by just dying and letting somebody carry you through it?
This is not massively difficult content. You're max level. You should know what you're doing by now.

Yes, it is, as I stated a little above, and for anybody who sees anybody else try to pull that little stunt, the specific violation here is obstruction of play, potentially grief tactics aswell.