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  1. #171
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Exactly. Sphene is the poor man's emet-selch. Where as Emet could conceivably bring his old world and people back in some form at the expense of the current one, all Sphene could do is massacre innocents to keep her digital theme park afterlife running that much longer. Plundering other worlds for souls, because it requires souls and not just aether to power, and not stopping to think about the sustainability issue when she runs out of shards to steal from.

    This is not a moral quandry with two valid outcomes, it's a bad situation where we have to do something unpleasant but completely necessary to stop Sphene from going to going to other shards and killing people to steal their souls for battery juice. All the while the number of endless to sustain only grows and grows and grows because she will not or can not let go.
    There's seemingly people that do this kind of thing every expansion. I'm remembering the thread about Endwalker and Venat being a psycho. People will argue with you based on the writers not establishing absolutely labyrthine rules or forgetting to wrap up a plot line and see if they can get you to admit that the main characters are comparable to fascists.
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  2. #172
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    Rukoko Ruko
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    Cahcuia is no different than Fandaniel when he said he wanted to die and take everyone with him. Selfish.
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  3. #173
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Cahcuia is no different than Fandaniel when he said he wanted to die and take everyone with him. Selfish.
    "These people need to be stopped from stealing the souls of entire worlds" is equal to "I want to wipe out all life in the universe because reasons". Sure.
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  4. #174
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    Comrade Maalik
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    Just from a gameplay and replayability level, it does kind of suck to take the coolest looking zone in the game and slowly shut it all down into a ghost town. I hope in a future patch they can figure out a way for us to turn it back on and make it all pretty again. I found myself getting pretty depressed at the end of the 6th zone. A dark allegory for our own society.
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  5. #175
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    Alys Camoa
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    "These people need to be stopped from stealing the souls of entire worlds" is equal to "I want to wipe out all life in the universe because reasons". Sure.
    “These people,” except none of them have any agency in the actions committed by their monarch, even if those actions are done to perpetuate their own lives. Remind me why we cared about anyone in Alexandria, again? Why we wasted time learning how they farm instead of just cutting our way through the city to reach Zoraal?
    I know the writer said we don’t do these things because we’d rather put Tuliyollal- full of civilians who just suffered one sudden attack- at risk again. But I’m asking under your logic as you’ve just proposed it:If any action take against Alexandrians is justified by Sphene’s intentions, then why should we not kill our way to Zoraal, and then the Meso Terminal?
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  6. #176
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    Anna Steele
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    the whole zone is a giant bummer after the story is finished. plus where is it? isnt it supposed to be on the world ended by lightning. wheres all the lightning?
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  7. #177
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    Nyr Ardyne
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlysCamoa View Post
    “These people,” except none of them have any agency in the actions committed by their monarch, even if those actions are done to perpetuate their own lives. Remind me why we cared about anyone in Alexandria, again? Why we wasted time learning how they farm instead of just cutting our way through the city to reach Zoraal?
    I know the writer said we don’t do these things because we’d rather put Tuliyollal- full of civilians who just suffered one sudden attack- at risk again. But I’m asking under your logic as you’ve just proposed it:If any action take against Alexandrians is justified by Sphene’s intentions, then why should we not kill our way to Zoraal, and then the Meso Terminal?
    For starters, the civilians in Heritage Found/S9 were not being kept alive by a machine that requires killing innocent people and harvesting their souls to survive.
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  8. #178
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlysCamoa View Post
    just cutting our way through the city to reach Zoraal?
    Why are you comparing AI powered memories to actual living people in the city? Especially considering that good part of them are Tuliyollal people that got hit by the dome.
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  9. #179
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    I see we all played through different MSQs where Origenics isn’t supplying the rest of Alexandria as well, apparently. Did anyone happen to play a version written by a less incompetent writer?
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  10. #180
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    Eri Shvakh
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlysCamoa View Post
    I see we all played through different MSQs where Origenics isn’t supplying the rest of Alexandria as well, apparently. Did anyone happen to play a version written by a less incompetent writer?
    Sorry you missed the part where they say that alexandria itself is self sufficient in terms of soul supply. <3 NG+ button is right there, press it.
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