post-Dawntrail even story dungeons are harder and more punishing to heal than ever

[Saraide]

I wanna highlight a comment OP made on the youtube video:



Let me paint you a picture OP:



You are convinced that your best course of action is to stay in what I call the poison zone (the zone where you get poisoned). Despite numerous failed attempts of clearing the fight you are not willing to give up the poison zone because of you think there is no other way to get across the arena still be in phlegma range.

However!

You are neglecting the entire rest of the arena which I have neatly categorized as Uptime zone and no uptime zone. In these areas you can cross over without touching the puddles. As a special help i have included what I call The Super Zone. If you restrict your movement to only this zone you will be able to hit your phlegmas and dodge the poison spills with the least amount of movement. I hope that helps.

[EponaTBHSMH]

If you do it wrong in easy content, you will certainly do it wrong in hard content.

Well, at least according to the OP, this can no longer be considered easy content.

That said, the problem here is the mindset, you can try your best to keep uptime in this kind of content with the goal to do it in harder content, but having some awareness of the difficulty spike should make you quickly change your mind into "Ok maybe I should focus on keeping everyone and myself alive" instead of considering it a problem of overtuning, just because you can't do your dummy rotation anymore

[Arohk]

No, because they have different mechanics in hard content.

i am not talking about mechanics, it is about playing your job properly at all times without thinking about it, "gaining muscle memory", later when it comes to hard fight you can think about optimization.

I give you an example, i see a lot of Ninja players using Doton on Bosses, Doton is an AOE ability that clealy does less damage than Raiton (Raiton = 740 , Doton = 560 potency), Doton takes a second longer to cast than raiton and you also don't get a Raiju from using it, yet people still use Doton on single enemies.

For a while now when ever i see a Ninja use Doton on a Boss, i deliberately Pull the Boss out of it in the hope they learn something from it, i have tried countless of times to tell them in chat to not use Doton on bosses and often get the response "Why do you care, it doesnt matter"

[Lux0k]

>starts healing strike, because supposedly you don't need healers dt do content
>dt has harsher healing checks than previous pieces of content
>"help, i didn't know my actions had consequences"

yeah, there was that "we don't have attack rotation" argument but that one of the finer points of the strike is that if they don't have that then healing itself should be in demand to compensate, healers should be pressing their heal buttons and actually have their healing be needed even if no one is failing mechanics.

[Saraide]

>starts healing strike, because supposedly you don't need healers dt do content
>dt has harsher healing checks than previous pieces of content
>"help, i didn't know my actions had consequences"

yeah, there was that "we don't have attack rotation" argument but that one of the finer points of the strike is that if they don't have that then healing itself should be in demand to compensate, healers should be pressing their heal buttons and actually have their healing be needed even if no one is failing mechanics.

Why would you ever think OP is a striker?

[DKMR]

i am not talking about mechanics, it is about playing your job properly at all times without thinking about it, "gaining muscle memory", later when it comes to hard fight you can think about optimization.

I give you an example, i see a lot of Ninja players using Doton on Bosses, Doton is an AOE ability that clealy does less damage than Raiton (Raiton = 740 , Doton = 560 potency), Doton takes a second longer to cast than raiton and you also don't get a Raiju from using it, yet people still use Doton on single enemies.

For a while now when ever i see a Ninja use Doton on a Boss, i deliberately Pull the Boss out of it in the hope they learn something from it, i have tried countless of times to tell them in chat to not use Doton on bosses and often get the response "Why do you care, it doesnt matter"

I think at this point maybe you can recommend them before hand and see if they want to accept you to teach them, but if they don't care then they don't care, really no use trying to force someone to learn something that would benefit them.

[Linnaete]

OP, I know you've had a lot of vitriol hurled at you and I get that this has all been a disheartening experience. After all, I don't know you or what you're going through in your life. I would like to believe that you are sincere and genuine about your struggles, even if much of it perplexes me.

But most of all I don't understand your hangup about having to maximise uptime in a story dungeon - including on runs where you're using NPCs. Who exactly is here to judge and berate you for not optimally squeezing in one last Phlegma with microseconds to spare before an AoE puddle explodes beneath your feet? Who cares if your Phlegma overcaps by like a few seconds? The NPCs will obviously not care, and no reasonable Duty Finder group will be parsing you or get on your back about it unless you're literally just standing there semi-AFK. You're so hung up on your perceived shortcomings based on past harder Endwalker content that you've needlessly brought this mentality over to a story dungeon to the complete detriment of your ability to focus on a boss's telegraphs and to learn how to adapt and respond to what is essentially a recycled mechanic. Walk before you can run. Get familiar with the basics of the fight first, THEN think about optimisation.

You talk about focusing on your SGE "rotation" when all that amounts to is keeping your Eukrasian Dosis DoT up, spam Dosis III and pop buttons like Phlegma and Psyche when they're available, with Toxikon for mobility. You can afford to take your eyes off your hotbars for a moment and just mash Dosis III while you watch out for the boss is about to do next. Your GCD shield casts are not part of your "rotation"; they're things you proactively throw out in anticipation of an incoming mechanic, and even then your first resort should be your oGCDs like Physis and Kerachole. You needlessly spent a second popping Eukrasia in one instance while trying to slowly amble your way out of danger when you could have thrown a quick Taurochole on yourself instead. It may be worth a review of the fundamentals of SGE and your setup, because there's no reason to devote so much time to staring at your hotbars as though you're a complete novice to the job.

You've had a lot of tips about how to handle this particular boss fight, so I don't presently feel any need to regurgitate a lot of what is already said. No matter how you approach it next (get a premade? Take a short break first to clear your mind?) I wish you the best of luck for it and for the future encounters to come.

[Alyx-Greywind]

Healer Main here and Sage.

Psysis + Kerachole will give you some good instant Regen and Miti.

Haima yourself if you're that worried which is another instant cast.

You also have Holos which is another incredibly potent instant cast.

Just stand on the boss, watch the arms and move to the other side of the arena, stop worrying about uptime or overcapping, just watch when he raises his fist and move left and right accordingly. That's it.

[EponaTBHSMH]

But most of all I don't understand your hangup about having to maximise uptime in a story dungeon - including on runs where you're using NPCs.

I'm going to highlight this part of the post again for the OP, it is okay as a healer to not have perfect uptime, it is fine, your main goal when you go to a dungeon is to get through it

Thinking that uptime is mandatory is putting you through additional unnecessary stress, druochole, taurochole, physis and holos as needed, so you can be moving at all times to get to the correct side

[Granis]

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thank you for being somewhat mroe reasonable than the people who have been so mean and judgemental... i've only been focusing on optimizing and stuff because i want to be better prepared for when i finish the msq because i don't want to "miss out" on endgame like i did in endwalker due to struggling making grouping for the harder stuff more difficult...I just.... want to be better prepared for the actual endgame this time... and i feel like if i can't even get good results in xivanalysis in a dungeon... what possible hope do i have to not miss out or not be allowed to take part in endgame again?

What good is it to clear a dungeon if I didn't "really" clear it because my uptime was low and i didn't pull my weight? these are the best ways i can describe my fears, especially given that dungeons are a lot harder than they were in the previous expansion.

maybe i just have a skewed sense of priorities and i'll just keep what you said in mind after I.... step away from thes discussion to cool my head... i deleted the unlisted video because the harassment was getting too bad...