Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Aravell]

I don't disagree. Though I will say that I most often see players give up when they're pit against premades because they feel so demoralized by stacked teams, so they're kind of one in the same issue.

While this might be true, what I've seen on the forums and when I play FL on NA is that a large amount of people think going up against a premade is an immediate loss.

People need to drill it into their heads that a premade is not an invincible force, with the right jobs, you can forcibly shut them down. But if your team is so bad that you can't beat the premade at all, you could always work with the other team.

People give up entirely too quickly. Also it's very strange when people tell premades that they're not anything special and they're abusing meta comps to win matches, yet people also view premades as this unbeatable group of gods that will destroy you if you get close.

[Mawlzy]

While this might be true, what I've seen on the forums and when I play FL on NA is that a large amount of people think going up against a premade is an immediate loss.

People need to drill it into their heads that a premade is not an invincible force, with the right jobs, you can forcibly shut them down. But if your team is so bad that you can't beat the premade at all, you could always work with the other team.

People give up entirely too quickly. Also it's very strange when people tell premades that they're not anything special and they're abusing meta comps to win matches, yet people also view premades as this unbeatable group of gods that will destroy you if you get close.

I guess the truth is somewhere in the middle?

But math don't lie. If premades have a 70%+ win-rate as most report, then if you queue in during one of their sessions and you are not on their team, you have an average chance of winning below 15%. For some players that is highly demotivating. KK beats AA more often than that.

They of course can be beat - 70%+ is not 100% - and I agree it would be more enjoyable if people grit their teeth and attempted to do so, but we have to live in the real FL world.

As to how skilled meta premades are, I'd suggest they're very good at doing something that isn't particularly complicated. The members must also have a massive threshold against the tedium of simplistic repetition.