Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[aereniil]

The problem is that it’s not fun. Let’s also be real though. If there was no stuff to collect, the mode would’ve died a decade ago.

Well, the fact that "it's not fun" doesn't strictly depend on you and I. It's not fun for you or for other people, it's fun for me and for other people. This fun is subjective to anyone's personal interest and feeling.

This doesn't take away the many flaws of Frontline (balance issues, unmotivated players, some broken mechanics such as the S spawn algorithm on the new map which feels worse compared to Onsal or even Seal Rock, the RNG aspects, and so on).
However, I keep telling it : for me, there is fun in Frontline (or else I wouldn't have played 1500+ games and enjoyed the epic fights or the tight close wins/losses).

For you, maybe there are much better PvP in other games than in FFXIV. I tried some of these examples of PvP-oriented games. Good for people to like them. Bus as far as I'm concerned, I find no better PvP content for me than Frontline, and that's all I need and ask in terms of PvP enjoyment.
There is definitely room for improvement, but my own fun (and maybe for others but honestly, I know it's not a popular take) is guaranted on this mode.

[JerryBerrry]

Let's also be real, the stuff you can collect in Frontlines is barely worth mentioning. Compare it to games like EVE Online, or closer to fantasy, Lineage II with its castle, fortress and clan hall sieges.

As far as I'm concerned, Frontline's gameplay is the main reward by itself, and everything else is a bonus I don't need.

I never played those games so I don’t care about them but I’ve played many other multiplayer game where the game is actually or tries to be balanced and is ACTUALLY fun.

[JerryBerrry]

Well, the fact that "it's not fun" doesn't strictly depend on you and I. It's not fun for you or for other people, it's fun for me and for other people. This fun is subjective to anyone's personal interest and feeling.

This doesn't take away the many flaws of Frontline (balance issues, unmotivated players, some broken mechanics such as the S spawn algorithm on the new map which feels worse compared to Onsal or even Seal Rock, the RNG aspects, and so on).
However, I keep telling it : for me, there is fun in Frontline (or else I wouldn't have played 1500+ games and enjoyed the epic fights or the tight close wins/losses).

For you, maybe there are much better PvP in other games than in FFXIV. I tried some of these examples of PvP-oriented games. Good for people to like them. Bus as far as I'm concerned, I find no better PvP content for me than Frontline, and that's all I need and ask in terms of PvP enjoyment.
There is definitely room for improvement, but my own fun (and maybe for others but honestly, I know it's not a popular take) is guaranted on this mode.

By your logic, if this is actually “fun” for most people, then the mode would not have been died nor impossible to get into outside of “peak” hours. The game should waste 0% of the few that enjoys broken unbalanced stuff like this to focus on elsewhere.

[ChrysOCE]

By your logic, if this is actually “fun” for most people, then the mode would not have been died nor impossible to get into outside of “peak” hours. The game should waste 0% of the few that enjoys broken unbalanced stuff like this to focus on elsewhere.

huh?? i can literally play on NA pvp, in my timezone, from 6-7am to 7-8pm. usually earlier/later than that, when mog tomes is running. what do you mean "the mode would not have been died nor impossible to get into outside of "peak" hours"??

[LeCorbeaux]

I never played those games so I don’t care about them but I’ve played many other multiplayer game where the game is actually or tries to be balanced and is ACTUALLY fun.

The thing is, if a PvP game (or portion of a game) is trying to be balanced, it essentially can't have significant rewards - because that would upset the balance.

Winning a siege in Lineage II is significant specifically because it gets you a secure base of operations, economic gains, and defending it is easier than conquering one. On the other hand, it paints a big fat target on your back since there's a limited, small amount of them available. And you (as the clan leader, most often) have to do invest heavily in the server politics, with all the interpersonal drama that entails - and so do people who might want to challenge you. In the end, nothing lasts forever, and you will lose your hold at some point, so make the best of your time.

Same goes for EVE Online, only there it's about system control and resource extraction - thus, economy.

By design, none of these fights are fair and balanced, and they can't be if you want the rewards to matter.

Now, if that's "fun", that's for everyone for themselves to decide. I personally love such set-ups, and at least in my 10+ years of playing Lineage II, I was most often in the role of the underdog. Still managed to conquer a castle now and then with my clan.

[aereniil]

By your logic, if this is actually “fun” for most people, then the mode would not have been died nor impossible to get into outside of “peak” hours. The game should waste 0% of the few that enjoys broken unbalanced stuff like this to focus on elsewhere.

Please tell me when I said it is actually "fun for most people" ! Please tell me, because at NO POINT did I say it's "fun" for most people. It's fun for me and possibly for OTHER people. Period.

Once again, neither you or I can say it's fun or not for everyone.
The fun is subjective to each person's perspective and expectations. That's my case for Frontline. Period.

It's NOT fun for you and others. Period!

IT IS fun for me and others (no matter how few there are). Period!

Edit/example of my fun : Believe me or not (I don't care), but we just won an epic game where we started 30(Red,us)-600(Blue)-90(Yellow) on Shatter, with Blue clearly above in coordination/fights. At neartly 1500 points, the dominant team even tried to steal our last Crystal at base while some of them launched a diversion at our base spawn.
We may have thought we were doomed to lose, but we managed to fight them off and kill enough of their BH5 to lower their points enough that killing our crystal doesn't make them win. Here comes Yellow from behind, but they're hesitant (us and Blue have close points at this point, who fight?). Finally, we kill Blue with AoEs on a blob of BH5 players, everyone is giving everything. Blue out of our crystal's rift, we take profit of our wind to drive off Yellow by the entrance. But here Blue is already after the middle crystal : if they kill it they win ! However, we know we can't panick and contest them, thus do we continue to kill yellows until FINALLY we win !! "Wow^^" said one of my mates in the party chat.

1600(Red, us) - 1491(Blue) - 1090



This kind of match wasn't the only one of this kind that I got in 1500+games, nor the most epic or close I've ever lived (close losses included)
This is the pinacle of fun I am so addicted to live in Frontline. This epicness ! This undecisiveness until the very end ! This thrill ! This epic chaos !
And NOBODY will tell me I'm not having fun this way, because yes, I HAVE FUN IN FRONTLINE, no matter what happens (be it the worst game/match ever or a boring one-sided domination match).

[aereniil]

I never played those games so I don’t care about them but I’ve played many other multiplayer game where the game is actually or tries to be balanced and is ACTUALLY fun.

... oh, and good for you and for others to appreciate these games and have fun in them.
Again : " At the end, ME having MY own fun is guaranted on Frontline, no matter how many flaws it's got."

[JerryBerrry]

... oh, and good for you and for others to appreciate these games and have fun in them.
Again : " At the end, ME having MY own fun is guaranted on Frontline, no matter how many flaws it's got."

If it’s so fun, why are you here on this threadpost instead of playing PvP instead and right now? Better yet, go make a post about about all the things you like about it instead of defending so hard against it.

[aereniil]

If it’s so fun, why are you here on this threadpost instead of playing PvP instead and right now? Better yet, go make a post about about all the things you like about it instead of defending so hard against it.

Good. Now, my point has been said and defended, so nothing more to add for me on this topic.

As for why, there are too many reasons (first of all, I'm too lazy to create/start a new thread, but I don't care xD).

For the fun of Frontline (and as a precision, not everything in FFXIV's PvP is fun), similarly to how something fun depends on each person's perspective, what I like to do with my life and time only concern me.
I queued and still queue to Frontline nowadays. I get my fun, it's my fun, it's ok, nobody gets hurt. Satisfied, I go on with life (especially as I need do some of my irl work on the side). Oh, and I kinda like the idea of replying to threads that make me want to invest myself and defend my own point. Period.

Selfish, but how do you think that I managed to get through 1500+ various games (from the addictive best to the worst of games and players with/against me), when you know there are so many flaws in FL ? xD

[JerryBerrry]

Good. Now, my point has been said and defended, so nothing more to add for me on this topic.

As for why, there are too many reasons (first of all, I'm too lazy to create/start a new thread, but I don't care xD).

For the fun of Frontline (and as a precision, not everything in FFXIV's PvP is fun), similarly to how something fun depends on each person's perspective, what I like to do with my life and time only concern me.
I queued and still queue to Frontline nowadays. I get my fun, it's my fun, it's ok, nobody gets hurt. Satisfied, I go on with life (especially as I need do some of my irl work on the side). Oh, and I kinda like the idea of replying to threads that make me want to invest myself and defend my own point. Period.

Selfish, but how do you think that I managed to get through 1500+ various games (from the addictive best to the worst of games and players with/against me), when you know there are so many flaws in FL ? xD

Regardless, ffxiv pvp is trash & should be deleted, whether you find the mode fun or not.