Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

[Isala]

Dear lord, I hope this is bait.

I wish it was. I had to deal with that type in real life, getting upset about a videogame... The dude in particular cut off people who had supported him and his dogwater stream for years for daring to play that game. He then came after me for different reasons, because he found that I didn't share his exact political views. These types are just unhinged, and there's no reasoning with them.

[Isala]

Not to derail the topic completely, but when you buy that game, you're directly supporting a person that publicly tweets support for activists that want to "morally mandate trans people out of existence", and who think that "men with guns should enter women's toilets to keep trans women out".

If your political opinions don't include trans people being safe, then no wonder that people who support trans people don't want to be friends with you.

As I said. Unhinged.

[Davixxa]

As I said. Unhinged.

I have the receipts.

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64014078/

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...t-as-repellent

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/01/...ilets-twitter/

[Galvuu]

snip.

I have no horse in this race, and I think people are free to make a stand however they see fit.
But I wonder if most of us who are, I presume, North Americans and Europeans, understand that the comfort of our lives has been carved out of human suffering.
I purchase products from Amazon, a company who brutally exploits their workers and has a lot of tax evasion and anti-union ills done, from brands that practice child labour or whose products eviscerate the environment and sell their waste to 3rd world countries and so on. I know this is morally reprehensible, but I can't help to relent under how much work and money I'd need to expend to avoid doing so.
Would you attack me as much, and say I support child labour and slavery for drinking a Nescafe? Would you attack yourself, or do you conveniently ignore that a lot of comfort and convenience in your life indirectly supports such evils?
Most people who played the game just wanted to have fun with a game. It's not that deep. Much like I just want a cup of coffee when I use a Nescafe capsule at my office. People have hard, stressful lives and maybe that's not the fight they chose. Much like, I assume, most of us didn't really think about the environment when we got a smartphone or a computer. I don't think we're evil for it- we're human and trying our best (in most cases, at least...).


Back on topic, I actually tuned in to Zepla just now (I've never watched her stream) and she raised a very interesting point about how artificial and "forced" the dialogue feels from the minor npcs during the attack. I was probably already on "skip all filler dialogue" mode, but it's actually a very valid criticism- it's like two words from the WoL (who's more or less a stranger in Tural) calms people down instantly and they forget their grief and panic for a moment to go hear the Dawnservant's- Wuk Lamat's- speech. One npc, in particular, has a line about "destroying our communities and culture and lives" followed by "The Dawnservant has a plan already? Even though she lost so much. The least I could do is listen to the Dawnservant." after their father was murdered. I actually never thought of this, but I agree with what she's saying for now, at least.

[Ratikal]

wheres the video games?

[Swordsman]

so that might explain his more lenient take now compared to his response to her while playing the MSQ.

Not only that but he also might find himself uninvited from future FFXIV media tours if his criticism of the game comes off as too harsh. It's a smart move on his part. He wants to provide his feedback about DT but doesn't want to burn any bridges with Yoshi P and co.

[Davixxa]

I have no horse in this race, and I think people are free to make a stand however they see fit.
But I wonder if most of us who are, I presume, North Americans and Europeans, understand that the comfort of our lives has been carved out of human suffering.
I purchase products from Amazon, a company who brutally exploits their workers and has a lot of tax evasion and anti-union ills done, from brands that practice child labour or whose products eviscerate the environment and sell their waste to 3rd world countries and so on. I know this is morally reprehensible, but I can't help to relent under how much work and money I'd need to expend to avoid doing so.
Would you attack me as much, and say I support child labour and slavery for drinking a Nescafe? Would you attack yourself, or do you conveniently ignore that a lot of comfort and convenience in your life indirectly supports such evils?
Most people who played the game just wanted to have fun with a game. It's not that deep. Much like I just want a cup of coffee when I use a Nescafe capsule at my office. People have hard, stressful lives and maybe that's not the fight they chose. Much like, I assume, most of us didn't really think about the environment when we got a smartphone or a computer. I don't think we're evil for it- we're human and trying our best (in most cases, at least...).

This is an entirely fair take. And no, I wouldn't. Because it doesn't directly affect me. Is that hypocritical? A bit. And yeah, as you say, that's not the fight they choose. It's a fight I choose, because it directly affects me. And I'd at least want people to know what they're financially contributing towards before doing so. I'm not in a place to stop them - nor will I call people transphobic for playing the game. Realistically, they're not, but realistically I can't see them as "allies" either. Most people have too much going on in their lives to care about whether trans people get persecuted and just want to have fun playing a video game. And I get that. Still. I want it to be known where that money goes to.

Do I order from Amazon personally? Not much, because ordering from Amazon is honestly fairly inconvenient where I live. That being said, I'm very much guilty of buying Nestlé (Nescafe parent company) products.

One npc, in particular, has a line about "destroying our communities and culture and lives" followed by "The Dawnservant has a plan already? Even though she lost so much. The least I could do is listen to the Dawnservant." after their father was murdered. I actually never thought of this, but I agree with what she's saying for now, at least.

I personally interpreted this as more of a "This really fucking sucks, and nothing's gonna change the fact that it really fucking sucks, I guess it can't get worse if I listen so might as well" kind of thing.

[Mooserocka33]

We don't claim TERF apologist zepla

Um i do lmao waht the hell is a terf appologistn go outside and touch some grasss WOW.

[Mooserocka33]

Zepla:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2192405696?t=6h49m14s

I am with zepla. Atleast she FINALLY gets it. The story was just bad it is ok to tell the devs something is not good. If you keep lying saying everything was great that is how you get endwalker. To where the devs were falling asleep it was so bad but everyone kept saying must consume more content they can do no wrong. I cant believe the comments omg she just hates on the game for clicks. No she is telling the truth of what she thinks . Even the one who never says bad things about the game mr happy was not liking everything. The story is just not that great but if you like it that is ok too.

[RabendaShin]

Not only that but he also might find himself uninvited from future FFXIV media tours if his criticism of the game comes off as too harsh. It's a smart move on his part. He wants to provide his feedback about DT but doesn't want to burn any bridges with Yoshi P and co.

Yeah, that's a worrisome future. I can imagine not wanting to cater to someone who bites the hand that feeds, but his final thoughts don't seem too harsh, despite hamming up some jokes. He doesn't find Dawntrail to be a bad expansion, but it's not what he expected and just finds it.. for lack of a better word, 'mid'.

He does get visibly upset with people in his chat trying to convince him Wuk Lamat was well written. However, I feel it's a valid take on why Dawntrail is being received as negatively as it is.