Quote Originally Posted by Ryaduera View Post
There is no theorycrafting here, this is how game balance discussions are held in the workspace.
You're the one that wants to drag this into a game balance discussion, my only point of view ever was always that DRK is not a bad tank, mitigation wise the other 3 are obviously superior and damage wise it seems to be 3rd place, might even get close to WAR when burst optimization will be set in stone just like in Endwalker

Let me try again. You can have Italian Bread with Butter, or you can add Garlic and end up with Garlic Bread. Both are good, but Garlic Bread is... well, Garlic Bread.
This analogy is already butter than the other one

Not sure I understand this either... But if I do understand, my thoughts are that my play, the tank in question played a lot and encountered both good and bad groups on all tanks at all levels and ended up having wildly different experiences on DRK than I did the others. I don't see why the other players performance would effect any of my performance.
If in savage, you have a pull on GNB where a DPS dies 3 times, and another pull on PLD where nobody dies, which one are you most likely to clear with?

You're leaving out details, probably intentionally to make me look worse
Nah I've been trying to have a fair discussion, you however were trying to slip in that you work in game balance earlier which I chose to ignore cuz that isnt relevant, I've also left out the whole LD is bad design or you being undergeared cuz those were offtopic and not even points I had raised

What I was trying to say here is that it shouldnt even get to the point where you have to be GCD healed or pop LD, if you're confident that the issue wasnt on your side and that you've properly mit'd then it might be on the healer side too, but whether you got healed and that Walking Dead didnt get triggered is a totally different matter.

I've never seen anyone say DRK has 0 self healing so your point is actually agreeing with people???
Fair enough!

How many times do I have to say it... this is what the problem is
Never said it wasn't, that's definitely not balanced. again was always about DRK not being bad, not that it didnt have worse mitigation than the other tanks

If you still don't get it, you are willfully ignoring fact in order to support your own view of things
You talk about ignoring facts while I'm here still just thinking that we're talking about different subjects altogether. it will be impossible to reason myself to DRK being bad in normal content until I run a dungeon, wall to wall a pull, use all my mitigation, the healer uses all of theirs, and I die or have to use LD, who knows, it might happen in DT I have yet to level it but healing it in Straybourough AND Tender Valley has to be a good benchmark