You pull you tank question.

[noelregnard]

Nope sorry buddy but the in game established roles as taught to new players in The Hall of novices, this teaches tank roles to pull, it doesn't teach any other role this. There for establishing in game, the tanks job is to pull. Now as I said before, speak to each other, maybe people will speed up for you.

Back to the stupid ToS argument.
If as a DPS you pull a second pack mid fight and the tank doesn't have high enough mit because of CD and they die, that's 100% you not playing your role and causing a wipe. By your own logic you could then be reported.
The entire situation is almost always going to have too much nuance to ever truly apply the ToS, so as stated before the ToS argument is dumb.

My final comment is literally saying we're a group and the dps in not the leader you're a memeber of the group and in most content the least important member of said group so maybe wind you neck in.
E.G
If you do not have a tank you physically cannot complete the dungeon.
If you do not have a healer and your tank is anything other than a Warrior, you cannot do the dungeon.

If you lose 1 of 2 dps, it's just gonna be a little slower, but you can easily still complete the dungeon. Obviously not talking raids here.

LMAO hall of novice. That thing was made when dinosaurs were still around. Also, it teaches tanks to grab aggro off other party members, not pulling. Y'know, the thing you're arguing that you should not have to do?
It also teaches DPS to grab aggro off healer, and teaches tanks to use single target after hitting AoE once to grab aggro. You should spend less time coming up with nonsensical excuses and more time learning how to play properly.

Also, you don't need a tank to complete most dungeons. Neither do you need a warrior to do it without a healer. But course, you wouldn't know this.

[Malthir]

LMAO hall of novice. That thing was made when dinosaurs were still around. Also, it teaches tanks to grab aggro off other party members, not pulling. Y'know, the thing you're arguing that you should not have to do?
It also teaches DPS to grab aggro off healer, and teaches tanks to use single target after hitting AoE once to grab aggro. You should spend less time coming up with nonsensical excuses and more time learning how to play properly.

Also, you don't need a tank to complete most dungeons. Neither do you need a warrior to do it without a healer. But course, you wouldn't know this.

So by your genius logic what's the problem with the tank not taking aggro off you when you pull? if you don't NEED a tank to do a dungeon then this whole topic is moot.

You will not be able to complete a dungeon without a tank and for most people also without a healer. DPS are literally the least required role, melee dps in particular in almost all games are the most big headed ego driven pains to play with. They constantly want to be the centre of attention, they offer very little to the group outside of damage and most have the attention span of a goldfish.

[VoidsentStatus]

So by your genius logic .

The issue is that he doesn't have logic. He entirely missed the point of the exercise. There are times in PvE content where adds will spawn and default attack whoever is nearby/highest in enmity immediately which can be a dps or healer and in those instances, you grab aggro off the support members. However, when the party is naturally grouped, just because you have the ability to target an enemy, doesn't mean that you take it as a DPS. It doesn't matter if you can aoe to kill an add pack, it doesn't matter what add is within range for you to attack, you only attack a target that the tank has directly aggro'd. It is a failure as a DPS to not attack the same target as a tank when possible. The exercise specifically has a tank that "could" be doing aoe, but isn't. And in that circumstance, it is considered failure by the DPS to not single target, not a failure of the tank to aoe. Square Enix is not teaching players to clear content as fast as possible, it is teaching them to stay behind the tank when possible.

[ThorneDynasty]

support members

Support members?

[VoidsentStatus]

Support members?

You need a dictionary for any terms that don't involve attacking people?

[ThorneDynasty]

You need a dictionary for any terms that don't involve attacking people?

So none of the jobs in the MMO FF14?

[VoidsentStatus]

So none of the jobs in in the MMO FF14?

*rubs forehead*

You only used half a full sentence, so I'm going to spell this out instead of taking the response in the worst interpretation that I could.

Support member =/ Support Role

Role = reference to the kit of abilities available to a player. A Damage Role is a kit of abilities primary focused on dealing damage. A Support Role is a kit of abilities primary focused on helping others.

Member = The player themselves, which means any adjective is a reference to the primary objective/purpose of said player at a given time. A supporting player/member of a party is any person that is helping another person. They are not the initating instance of a mission/objective. If a Tank Role starts to attack an enemy first, any secondary person that is aiding that, is supporting them, regardless of the Role. An example would be you, as the WoL, summoning the Scions. They are healers, dps, and tank roles, but all are considering supporting you in a fight because you were the one who initiated it. This usage of support is relevant to perspective. Another example:

Add 1 is being attacked by the Tank.
Add 2 is attacking a Healer Role.
Healer Role begins to attack Add 2.
A Damage Role begins to attack Add 2. <- Damage Role is a supporting member to the Healer Role. Healer Role initiated attacking Add 2.
Add 3 spawns and begins to attack Damage Role.
Healer starts to heal the Damage Role. <- Healer Role is a supporting member to the Damage Role. Damage Role initiated (via aggro range) a confrontation with Add 3.

You can have two players with different Roles considered a support member at the same time.

From a Tank PoV, because they initiate 95-100% of the engagements inside of a given content, they will refer to Damage Roles and Healer Roles as supporting members in general because the default plan is not for them to making their own objectives throughout the instance repeatedly. Supporting the Tank Role is their primary objective, and supporting the other roles as situations come up are secondary objectives.