You pull you tank question.

[Malthir]

It could not.
If the tanik is hitting buttons and the party wipes: maybe.
If a dps pulls and the tank just refuses to hit the pulled mobs with AoE and refuses to estabilish aggro: it's lethargic play.
Also the devs said in the role description thata tank's job is to get hit and keep enmity, not to let people die for displeasing them.
Although your last comment reeks of main character syndrome so I already know i'm wasting my time replying.

Nope sorry buddy but the in game established roles as taught to new players in The Hall of novices, this teaches tank roles to pull, it doesn't teach any other role this. There for establishing in game, the tanks job is to pull. Now as I said before, speak to each other, maybe people will speed up for you.

Back to the stupid ToS argument.
If as a DPS you pull a second pack mid fight and the tank doesn't have high enough mit because of CD and they die, that's 100% you not playing your role and causing a wipe. By your own logic you could then be reported.
The entire situation is almost always going to have too much nuance to ever truly apply the ToS, so as stated before the ToS argument is dumb.

My final comment is literally saying we're a group and the dps in not the leader you're a memeber of the group and in most content the least important member of said group so maybe wind you neck in.
E.G
If you do not have a tank you physically cannot complete the dungeon.
If you do not have a healer and your tank is anything other than a Warrior, you cannot do the dungeon.

If you lose 1 of 2 dps, it's just gonna be a little slower, but you can easily still complete the dungeon. Obviously not talking raids here.

[TBerry]

Don't get too hung up on your idea of politeness.

What's polite in your circles is impolite in others. That's the difference here. There's no 'middle' to meet in, each position is mutually exclusive.

Again, who cares? One of you gets kicked, requeue, that's the end of the story. Have a laugh about some ego-tripping warrior you found.

Making group content passive aggressive PvP is what it is.
Again, who decided the Tank shouldn't pull?
And why do Tank tutorials say otherwise?

Also just to add my 2 cents since I've tanked since late HW: you are ego tripping if you have "you pull you tank". Get over yourselves. Stop being cry babies. I've tanked literally every Ultimate except for TOP from start to finish...

The true ultimates are the showers along the way.
But thank you for letting us smell that you truly deserved that legend title.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

If you do not have a tank you physically cannot complete the dungeon.
If you do not have a healer and your tank is anything other than a Warrior, you cannot do the dungeon.

Hahaha are we playing the same game? You're talking about Final Fantasy the Fourteenth, right?

[Merrigan]

Don't get too hung up on your idea of politeness.

What's polite in your circles is impolite in others. That's the difference here. There's no 'middle' to meet in, each position is mutually exclusive.

Again, who cares? One of you gets kicked, requeue, that's the end of the story. Have a laugh about some ego-tripping warrior you found.

No, no position is ‘mutually exclusive’. That's the excuse used by people who don't want to compromise. The equation here is excessively simple: you queue in the PU, so you accept that there are different rhythms that will be confronted because the PU is (oh, surprise!) made up of randoms. So you have to be adaptable.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

No, no position is ‘mutually exclusive’. That's the excuse used by people who don't want to compromise. The equation here is excessively simple: you queue in the PU, so you accept that there are different rhythms that will be confronted because the PU is (oh, surprise!) made up of randoms. So you have to be adaptable.

Right, but you see.

You run into me and my friend (both playing on DPS) want to go fast. So you have to be adaptable to us, right?

It's mutually exclusive. Either one side is happy or the other.

But again, just kick the troublemaking tank, move on without them, or whatever. That's the nature of living with people. Can't force them to bend to your will, and content where this kind of thing happens is so easy you can do it without them.

[TBerry]

Right, but you see.

You run into me and my friend (both playing on DPS) want to go fast. So you have to be adaptable to us, right?

It's mutually exclusive. Either one side is happy or the other.

But again, just kick the troublemaking tank, move on without them, or whatever. That's the nature of living with people. Can't force them to bend to your will, and content where this kind of thing happens is so easy you can do it without them.

Even if it's just different between EU and US, this seems like a WoW-level toxicity.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

That's why I'm playing Viper, maximum toxicity

[noelregnard]

Nope sorry buddy but the in game established roles as taught to new players in The Hall of novices, this teaches tank roles to pull, it doesn't teach any other role this. There for establishing in game, the tanks job is to pull. Now as I said before, speak to each other, maybe people will speed up for you.

Back to the stupid ToS argument.
If as a DPS you pull a second pack mid fight and the tank doesn't have high enough mit because of CD and they die, that's 100% you not playing your role and causing a wipe. By your own logic you could then be reported.
The entire situation is almost always going to have too much nuance to ever truly apply the ToS, so as stated before the ToS argument is dumb.

My final comment is literally saying we're a group and the dps in not the leader you're a memeber of the group and in most content the least important member of said group so maybe wind you neck in.
E.G
If you do not have a tank you physically cannot complete the dungeon.
If you do not have a healer and your tank is anything other than a Warrior, you cannot do the dungeon.

If you lose 1 of 2 dps, it's just gonna be a little slower, but you can easily still complete the dungeon. Obviously not talking raids here.

LMAO hall of novice. That thing was made when dinosaurs were still around. Also, it teaches tanks to grab aggro off other party members, not pulling. Y'know, the thing you're arguing that you should not have to do?
It also teaches DPS to grab aggro off healer, and teaches tanks to use single target after hitting AoE once to grab aggro. You should spend less time coming up with nonsensical excuses and more time learning how to play properly.

Also, you don't need a tank to complete most dungeons. Neither do you need a warrior to do it without a healer. But course, you wouldn't know this.

[Merrigan]

Right, but you see.

You run into me and my friend (both playing on DPS) want to go fast. So you have to be adaptable to us, right?

It's mutually exclusive. Either one side is happy or the other.

But again, just kick the troublemaking tank, move on without them, or whatever. That's the nature of living with people. Can't force them to bend to your will, and content where this kind of thing happens is so easy you can do it without them.

If the healer also wants to accelerate, then yes. It comes down to what I was saying: adapt. The problem is that in your case and in view of your messages (which seem to be baits, but I'll bite this time), this adaptation only goes one way: it's only the others who have to adapt to you, and that's a particularly appalling mentality.

In short, as always, I'm sticking to my guns on this issue: communicate with others (it's crazy to have to reiterate this on an mmorpg), be flexible about the way you play (I promise you, staying an extra 10 minutes in a dungeon to give the new tank a bit of time to adapt isn't going to kill you). And if you're unable to adapt, the simplest solution is to do it with friends who are on the same wavelength in terms of pace.

[Moxxi]

I don't think hall of the novice ever taught me to take enmity off dps, it did teach to use ranged tools to grab enemies from healer before they get hit due to them healing. It also teach to use ranged tools to pull groups so you don't get overwhelmed and to use aoe when there is 3 or more targets and how to position yourself for it... But double checking seems it did try to teach to use aoe then the combo on multiple enemies, i just had other guides in my head so kept using aoe ^^"
And checking the dps exercises i don't see any of them being about taking enmity off the healer. But more to support the group as a whole by focusing down enemies that target the weakest member. both have the same mission but completely different priority in the novice exercise.