Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Cheapshot]

Change your face and get over it.

Please leave is this is your attitude. There’s no need for such rotten behaviour. Take the poster above me as an example that you can feel differently about your character while still sympathizing with others and being polite.

[lunartears]

The other thing I wanted to get to is that it's not only lip shapes that are scuffed, but their coloring. Before 7.0, many face options had lips that had uneven coloring in unique ways, that would offer a specific, delicate balance and impression.

Now, nearly all lips are one solid color, along with both the bottom and top lip now always being equal in size, instead of carefully thought out like they were prior. This is neither more detailed or more realistic. I'm not going to theorize why this happened, just...please, look into it.

A million times yes, I've probably said this over and over again at this point but my WoL's lips stick out so much now because of both the shape and colour change. The way they look on her is so ghoulish and ugly that I have no idea how it can be considered a more "attractive" upgrade. It's practically impossible to pale the lips or try and make them invisible like I had done, as you say even the no lip colour option has been changed. I have noticed this even on other characters that aren't using delibrate lipstick, looking like they have lipgloss or a peach lipstick on at all times now.

And I see how your faces have changed too, I'm also a fan of the sharper eye look and found my eyes looking more neutralised. I agree with everything you wrote, the loss of character option diversity feels like such a mistake.

[Stormfur]

I want to know why the Free Company chest got a heck of a makeover but the poor bear rug looks as awful as ever.

[Einnecy]

On the subject of lips, I am particularly disappointed in how the update has altered my female midlander. I agree that both the shapes and coloring have been changed too much. My main WoL looks like she is wearing lipstick instead of just having shaded lips. I also dearly miss the shape of her upper lip. I think that little dip(?) it had was adorable.



For an energetic and high-spirited character, which I think was reflected in her pre-DT face, she looks so tired and done now. No amount of tweaking her in the character creator will fix that either, and I have tried. I've been trying for as long as we've had the second benchmark and then doubly so when DT released.

[Doopliss]

On the subject of lips, I am particularly disappointed in how the update has altered my female midlander. I agree that both the shapes and coloring have been changed too much. My main WoL looks like she is wearing lipstick instead of just having shaded lips. I also dearly miss the shape of her upper lip. I think that little dip(?) it had was adorable.



For an energetic and high-spirited character, which I think was reflected in her pre-DT face, she looks so tired and done now. No amount of tweaking her in the character creator will fix that either, and I have tried. I've been trying for as long as we've had the second benchmark and then doubly so when DT released.

Oh hey, this is the rarest selected ♀ Midlander face I was talking about! I love how you designed her, but the update really does make it feel like she lost a spark of her personality...I'm so sorry. They made this face feel, somehow, like it got partially mixed up with Face 1 in the update.

Also, please tell me that those aren't the same eyebrow option...

Seriously, pre-DT I'd be able to easily tell this is Face 4, but now I'd be uncertain whether it's Face 1 or Face 3 at a glance...

[Cheapshot]

On the subject of lips, I am particularly disappointed in how the update has altered my female midlander. I agree that both the shapes and coloring have been changed too much. My main WoL looks like she is wearing lipstick instead of just having shaded lips. I also dearly miss the shape of her upper lip. I think that little dip(?) it had was adorable.



For an energetic and high-spirited character, which I think was reflected in her pre-DT face, she looks so tired and done now. No amount of tweaking her in the character creator will fix that either, and I have tried. I've been trying for as long as we've had the second benchmark and then doubly so when DT released.

The dull eye problem seems to be hitting you, and there’s a slight difference to the inner corners of your eyes which I think are both contributing to looking tired. I really dislike lip shape changes on nearly every face now and all the lip textures are too flat and clean to look natural.

Did you select new brows or did they really just straight up replace yours with completely different ones?

[Einnecy]

Oh hey, this is the rarest selected ♀ Midlander face I was talking about! I love how you designed her, but the update really does make it feel like she lost a spark of her personality...I'm so sorry. They made this face feel, somehow, like it got partially mixed up with Face 1 in the update.

Thank you so much! Most of the compliments I've ever gotten went to my au ra, so I'm really happy someone can appreciate my middie WoL. I'm happy someone can recognize her charm even if she's now lost to us. Face 4 midlander ladies are so rare, but I think they're so beautiful. I adore their subtly more mature face. I'm struggling to recreate that subtle maturity but lightheartedness no matter the face option.

The dull eye problem seems to be hitting you, and there’s a slight difference to the inner corners of your eyes which I think are both contributing to looking tired.

The gap between the eyes and lashes looks bigger too which gives a very unnatural look. The eyes I chose for her were the most open ones, but now they don't look open they just look... bigger.

Also, please tell me that those aren't the same eyebrow option...

Did you select new brows or did they really just straight up replace yours with completely different ones?

I should have clarified that I forgot to turn off the eyebrow facial option midlander faces come with. Sorry! Here's a screenshot of her eyes without the option enabled.

[Doopliss]

I should have clarified that I forgot to turn off the eyebrow facial option midlander faces come with. Sorry! Here's a screenshot of her eyes without the option enabled.

Ohhh, understandable. That's a small silver lining at least, haha.

It's practically impossible to pale the lips or try and make them invisible like I had done, as you say even the no lip colour option has been changed. I have noticed this even on other characters that aren't using delibrate lipstick, looking like they have lipgloss or a peach lipstick on at all times now.

Also I wanted to reply to this in case it offers a small sliver of hope: they DID fix this for ♂ Viera Face 2 between the first and second benchmark. It's hard to get a hold of the first benchmark now, but a characteristic for that face is how pale the lips are naturally. It's an important part for, say, an NPC like Loifa, who plays off the pallid look it offers. They were darkened significantly in the first benchmark, then corrected in the second benchmark after the massive amount of complaints male Viera had.

Here's an example of what those lips can look like now:


And here's an example of what ♂ Viera Face 1 lips look like in comparison, to further my point:

Sorry for the unequal cropping, I was trying to do this quickly.

The only unfortunate part of this is that I do use lip color for this character, which still applies a little too darkly... I feel like I can maybe figure something out, though.

There are other issues, like his round, slightly downturned eyes becoming less round and less downturned(again?!?!?!) and his hair looking too light and more flat now...but nothing I haven't already spoken about ad nauseam. Also I can no longer see the hint of teal on his bottom lashes (petty complaint, I know).

Anyway, it's possible to fix the lip coloring issues... I just hope they actually do so.

[Kaziek]

The gap between the eyes and lashes looks bigger too which gives a very unnatural look. The eyes I chose for her were the most open ones, but now they don't look open they just look... bigger.

This is because they completely removed a really important feature that gave female midlander characters such a distinct look, which was a semi-transparent eyelash texture that overlaid the very top of the eye. It's most noticeable on face 1 in my opinion, but it made a significant change to all of them in a way that's really unfortunate.

[noumen0nn]

This is because they completely removed a really important feature that gave female midlander characters such a distinct look, which was a semi-transparent eyelash texture that overlaid the very top of the eye. It's most noticeable on face 1 in my opinion, but it made a significant change to all of them in a way that's really unfortunate.

I made a post about this a while back and I'm glad others took notice; it should be an easy enough change so I'm hoping it gets implemented if enough people speak up.