Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

[Lurea]

No need to be snide. Especially when I seem know which parts of FF14 Ishikawa wrote better than you do.

EDIT: I mean, not to rub it in when you clearly completely misread the post you were responding to. And the one before it. But going right for a personal attack to white knight a writer I wasn't even talking about makes this a bit funny.

Yeah, definitely hit reply to that one a little quick. In my confusion, can ya blame me for wanting to defend Ishikawa? xD

[fioravictorine]

To be honest.
Genshins story itself is great. The storytelling though is kinda bad and the MC is more sidelined in the overall story then we in DT.
Fontaine had a great stoy (the whale boss is trash though) and the Varshey (I can't spell his name) was extremely dark.
What Fontaine did good and what DT could learn from it though is how to write a character.
Furina and Neuvilette were extremely good written. So much that Furina became an fan favourite (I even have a keychain of her).
The characters in Genshin are also just tropes but they work in their own world and are used in it. Wuk Lamat is the prime example of how to not write a main character.

i would also like to throw Nasu and FGO in the ring.
With the lostbelts he wrote masterpieces.

Maybe it's still my dissapointment with Dawntrail but I think the writers of FF14 should look around and learn again.
It was what made ff14's story so great in the first place. I know they can do it but they got kinda too comfortable with time.

Funfact:
Did you know I have a store two streets away from me that sells Genshin merchandise. They have many stuff but not a single thing from ff14...


Agreed. The political stuff was always interesting be it Uldah or Ishgard.
They really need to do research again.
My inner hope is that the mixed DT reception across the board will be a wake up call for the story. They already had one for the gameplay and at least here it seems that DT learns from past mistakes.

Yeah I'll be heading back to Mihoyo games after being done with most DT stuff and ending my sub. Fontaine, Sumeru, Belobog, Penacony are all amazing story arcs (and FULLY voiced in multiple languages too!)

When someone not of Ishikawa's caliber head the story, Mihoyo does story and writing and everything way better than whatever Square Enix can come up with

[Vinter]

Seeing how it's largely the political aspect of the story that's missing and has been missing for the last two expansions. They need a writer educated in history to make the main story frame again, since they tend to a much better view of the greater picture and how to connect the dots. Now we just got the characters without any actual connections to the world as a whole.

True, it wasn't the dragons or the swordfighting that made Game of Thrones interesting, and it wasn't a lack of these things that made the last three seasons dog. It had stakes and consequences, and then it didn't anymore. Can't have a good story if the conclusion is already foregone. They should let the baddies win once in a while to show that it's actually a close race.

[Kozh]

I don't follow ff14 streamers at all, so I can't say if she's truly just ragebait or not.
However
I do know that even ff14 discord has mixed reaction towards DT, and that place is super toxic positive. If you say anything negative or controversial about the story there, prepare to be dogpiled and lynched.

[Lurea]

what is a TERF?

TERF is a trans-exclusionary radical feminist: an advocate of radical feminism who does not believe that transgender people's gender identities are legitimate, and who is hostile to the inclusion of trans women in the feminist movement.

[Zaniel]

Between Gaius, Zero and Wuk Lamat, he clearly has a huge flaw as a writer with tunnel-visioning on a single character and twisting the rest of the narrative around them.

This is a super common problem with amateur writers, they invent their character first before the story's idea, become obsessed with the character and then instead of being aware of how that character might function within the web of the world and personal relationships around it they take the reverse approach and build the world outwards from that character.

This results in a character who never has to interact with the world because the world is a purpose built skin-tight suit around them.

[Dranni]

We don't claim TERF apologist zepla

Really classy to edit an upvoted message to now include this garbage.

Please grow up.

[SirShady]

We don't claim TERF apologist zepla

Wow, nice edit. Must feel real good creating the illusion that people agree with your weird takes.

[AnotherHighlander]

TERF is a trans-exclusionary radical feminist: an advocate of radical feminism who does not believe that transgender people's gender identities are legitimate, and who is hostile to the inclusion of trans women in the feminist movement.

literally has nothing to do with wuk lamat or CCs criticizing the story

some people (not you, the hrothgar) really want to just drag in culture war BS everywhere

[Magikazam]

Speaking of which, Werlyt also had a huge issue with unearned redemption for Gaius where the writer just retconned with abandon to make all his past actions actually be morally just rather than properly deal with the more interesting moral grayness.

Between Gaius, Zero and Wuk Lamat, he clearly has a huge flaw as a writer with tunnel-visioning on a single character and twisting the rest of the narrative around them.

TBH the issue about Gaius IMO is that his personality is all over the place, all the time, it not just a Werlyt issue. He sound way more like a resonable being in 1.0, then he just turn into a bland and basic villain in 2.0. I still facepalm whenever I do Prae and he roll a nat 1 on persuasion when trying to make Cid change side.