Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

[IvoryHawk]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2194738757?t=3h23m37s


Not even Yoshi's favorite streamer, Preach, can defend Wuk Lamat's VA any longer.

I just don't believe this is a directing issue as everyone is trying to say, she's just not great.

[Loggos]

If that is true then they did everything wrong they could.

It's fine to get new people and young workers but you have to work them in.
If thats the case then honestly, this all is not the fault of the writers but of the supervisors. This all screams too much freedom for unexprienced people.
FF14 already had the theory of just being the money printing machine of SE and being not very loved itself (it getting no budget, almost no merchandise and no real recognition in the series itself). Now it really seems like "it sells anyway, do what you want".

The part with the youngr audience is just hilarious. Explains the whole disney theme. An expansion without the more mature stuff like HW is fine in itself but they didn't even do that. Instead we got a story mix of cringe silly shonen and world ending mad AI with a top of "what measure is a nonhuman".
Looks like a cocktail of ideas thrown at the wall and sticking them together with glue while sniffing it.

It's wild to me that a game that is a company's money maker isn't propped up to the fullest since it would be an investment with high returns. Make the most beloved title even more beloved and attractive? More money!
They miss out on so many opportunities to sell us even more stuff that, let's be real, many of us would eat up and spend money on (good for us that they don't do that then I guess).
But they seem to treat it as a car that was solid when you first bought it, has been running for years now and whose age really starts to show, so it needs some serious maintenance. Instead of giving it the thorough overhaul needed to make sure it runs as well again as it did when you first bought it, it almost feels like they just want to see how long the rusty car can go and bring in money before it breaks down.

(Not to always bring up Genshin but it feels eerily similar. The golden goose in which they invest the bare minimum whereas their other, more niche titles get all the fancy stuff that have Genshin players drooling. Can't even get official Genshin merch overseas even though they'd make so much bank.)

[PaleYonder]

It's wild to me that a game that is a company's money maker isn't propped up to the fullest since it would be an investment with high returns. Make the most beloved title even more beloved and attractive? More money!
They miss out on so many opportunities to sell us even more stuff that, let's be real, many of us would eat up and spend money on (good for us that they don't do that then I guess).
But they seem to treat it as a car that was solid when you first bought it, has been running for years now and whose age really starts to show, so it needs some serious maintenance. Instead of giving it the thorough overhaul needed to make sure it runs as well again as it did when you first bought it, it almost feels like they just want to see how long the rusty car can go and bring in money before it breaks down.

(Not to always bring up Genshin but it feels eerily similar. The golden goose in which they invest the bare minimum whereas their other, more niche titles get all the fancy stuff that have Genshin players drooling. Can't even get official Genshin merch overseas even though they'd make so much bank.)

Yeah, I don't get it either. This is a game community that - a bit of mount drama aside - is even overall fine with cosmetic microtransactions, and will forgive a lot, and that's the reward for years of building goodwill. To burn that down in such a short time instead of investing more and reaping more, both money and loyalty, is certainly common in game companies these days, but never gets more comprehensible.

[Priddy]

You linked an 11hr plus stream. What timestamp should we be looking at? Can't sit and scroll atm q.q

It links to 3h23m37s, but depending on what browser/device you open it on it may not automatically load to that point.

[Xlantaa]

So what? They are not authorities of anything, like people in this forum.

[fulminating]

So what? They are not authorities of anything, like people in this forum.

It’s an indication that there are severe issues given their livelihood as a video maker and status as ff14 media tour person depends on not being in SE’s bad books. You don’t defecate where you eat nor bite the hand that feeds you and other idioms that we all understand.

[Gortys]

It’s an indication that there are severe issues given their livelihood as a video maker and status as ff14 media tour person depends on not being in SE’s bad books. You don’t defecate where you eat nor bite the hand that feeds you and other idioms that we all understand.

I think Zepla is sponsored by Hoyo so she is not shitting where she eats.

I did watch Sfia play through the MSQ and he wasn't extremely unhappy, but he wasn't overly happy either. He was kind of meh about it.

[Magikazam]

This. I understand training them with maybe sidequests, and slowly giving them more to do. I already felt a drop in writing quality in the Alliance raids, and the EW patches MSQ - but I still believed that for the actual expansion, things would get better, that more experienced people would be mostly responsible. It seems like there was no supervision at all! They said Ishikawa was in a supervision role, but honestly I don't know if I believe that, or maybe I just have a different idea of what a "supervision" role actually is. It's bizarre to think they would let things be this bad in the final product.

The main writter already did a bunch of sidequest, including the Dark knight job quest chains. I think the issues is that maybe they ain't used to do long story like the MSQ is.

[Turtledeluxe]

Hot take but DT is absolute crap compared to say, the Fontaine arc in Genshin. Both games have the same exposition problem. But Genshin is undeniable more cohesive and satisfying as far as the storytelling.

And that even goes for their minor quests or equivalent "post patch" stories. Some it really hits in ways XIV's voiceless bland secondary characters could only dream of. And in a fraction of the time.

Being sponsored by Hoyo, at least right now, is probably very convenient.

[IDontPetLalas]

So what? They are not authorities of anything, like people in this forum.

On the contrary, I am an authority on what I like. In the case of DT, in contrast of every expansion so far, I would say that the quality of writing is abysmal.

My expectations given the LL were that we were going "on vacation"- fine, we wouldn't get the drama of say- a HW. However, this expansion lacks the drama from a significant length- it's a dull slog- it doesn't even have humour- it's just- nothing. It's vapid, the characters repeat the same things so often, and in such a simplistic, dull way that I don't even care about them, worse- they annoy me, with the rare exception. This is from someone who was was perfectly happy, mind you with going through ARR prior to its trim- it's not the length of the questline- it's the unnecessary and boring bloat.

As at least one person has said, an experienced supervisor or editor could likely have advised a more junior editor and the end product would have been the better for it.