Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

[Fiel_Tana]

The main writter already did a bunch of sidequest, including the Dark knight job quest chains. I think the issues is that maybe they ain't used to do long story like the MSQ is.

Ishikawa did the dark knight quest chains, not the current MSQ writer. The current one did The Sorrow of Werlyt Quests, Pandemonium, the EW patch quests and others. I agree though that they may not be used to writing long stories and that may be part of why this MSQ falls flat so often.

[1313]

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I think Dawntrail has been good so far. A couple minor things I'm not keen about, but that is of little import. They've done a good job. If anybody is bored by it, it's not the expansion that's boring, it's the game design itself. These same exact scenarios and patterns have been recurring for ten years and counting. Everyone said "we want more voiced scenes" and when Squenix delivers "there's too many scenes this is boring boohoo".

[GrizzlyTank]

Many internet personalities do use controversial or popular opinions to gain attention and followers. It's important to remember that their opinions don't necessarily reflect the majority view, or even their own personal opinions. People often discuss what these personalities say because they have a significant influence on their followers and can spark widespread conversations. However, it's always good to take their statements with a grain of salt and form your own opinions, free from any outside influence and with an open mind.

Preach does appear to be one of the more balanced streamer out there and doesn't exactly rely on drama for either entertainment or popularity, he also opted to play through every single final fantasy sans side games and 11 to get a better overview of the entire series history so he's one of those who's opinions are more reasonable. Ofc he like everyone have their biases but i haven't seen him let such biases negatively affect his overall opinion.

[IDontPetLalas]

Many internet personalities do use controversial or popular opinions to gain attention and followers. It's important to remember that their opinions don't necessarily reflect the majority view, or even their own personal opinions. People often discuss what these personalities say because they have a significant influence on their followers and can spark widespread conversations. However, it's always good to take their statements with a grain of salt and form your own opinions, free from any outside influence and with an open mind.
I think Dawntrail has been good so far. A couple minor things I'm not keen about, but that is of little import. They've done a good job. If anybody is bored by it, it's not the expansion that's boring, it's the game design itself. These same exact scenarios and patterns have been recurring for ten years and counting. Everyone said "we want more voiced scenes" and when Squenix delivers "there's too many scenes this is boring boohoo".

While that may apply to some people, out of the (I don't know, million plus players?), it doesn't apply to those of us who are fed up with the repetitive, simplistic and childish writing (I believe in peace, I want people to happy, I couldn't do this without you, talk to so-and-so for me)- fine I get it already!!!

No, they have not "done a good job" in my eyes, although I do very much recognize that technically they worked on a graphical update and worked to deliver on login queues - some fundamental elements were of very poor quality in my eyes, and that hasn't been typical of their past expansions.

[KurenXIV]

If anybody is bored by it, it's not the expansion that's boring, it's the game design itself. These same exact scenarios and patterns have been recurring for ten years and counting. Everyone said "we want more voiced scenes" and when Squenix delivers "there's too many scenes this is boring boohoo".

That's not true at all.

If the story is compelling then great, I welcome all the voiced cut scenes and whatever else they want to throw our way.

The 'scenarios and patterns' are different here in a few fundamental ways:

1) The overall writing and character writing is very bad
2) The story is generally boring
3) There's a ton of fluff padding the stories run time
4) We are not the driving factor in the scenario moving the story forward

Note that point 4 is not saying it's because we aren't "the main character" it's that we are not the one making events occur to move the plot forward; so it feels like we're just background dressing for the characters which are moving the plot forward.

[Voidmage]

Hot take but DT is absolute crap compared to say, the Fontaine arc in Genshin. Both games have the same exposition problem. But Genshin is undeniable more cohesive and satisfying as far as the storytelling.

And that even goes for their minor quests or equivalent "post patch" stories. Some it really hits in ways XIV's voiceless bland secondary characters could only dream of. And in a fraction of the time.

Being sponsored by Hoyo, at least right now, is probably very convenient.

To be honest.
Genshins story itself is great. The storytelling though is kinda bad and the MC is more sidelined in the overall story then we in DT.
Fontaine had a great stoy (the whale boss is trash though) and the Varshey (I can't spell his name) was extremely dark.
What Fontaine did good and what DT could learn from it though is how to write a character.
Furina and Neuvilette were extremely good written. So much that Furina became an fan favourite (I even have a keychain of her).
The characters in Genshin are also just tropes but they work in their own world and are used in it. Wuk Lamat is the prime example of how to not write a main character.

i would also like to throw Nasu and FGO in the ring.
With the lostbelts he wrote masterpieces.

Maybe it's still my dissapointment with Dawntrail but I think the writers of FF14 should look around and learn again.
It was what made ff14's story so great in the first place. I know they can do it but they got kinda too comfortable with time.

Funfact:
Did you know I have a store two streets away from me that sells Genshin merchandise. They have many stuff but not a single thing from ff14...

Seeing how it's largely the political aspect of the story that's missing and has been missing for the last two expansions. They need a writer educated in history to make the main story frame again, since they tend to a much better view of the greater picture and how to connect the dots. Now we just got the characters without any actual connections to the world as a whole.

Agreed. The political stuff was always interesting be it Uldah or Ishgard.
They really need to do research again.
My inner hope is that the mixed DT reception across the board will be a wake up call for the story. They already had one for the gameplay and at least here it seems that DT learns from past mistakes.

[GrizzlyTank]

Maybe it's still my dissapointment with Dawntrail but I think the writers of FF14 should look around and learn again.
It was what made ff14's story so great in the first place. I know they can do it but they got kinda too comfortable with time.

Funfact:
Did you know I have a store two streets away from me that sells Genshin merchandise. They have many stuff but not a single thing from ff14...

Seeing how it's largely the political aspect of the story that's missing and has been missing for the last two expansions. They need a writer educated in history to make the main story frame again, since they tend to a much better view of the greater picture and how to connect the dots. Now we just got the characters without any actual connections to the world as a whole.

[ThorneDynasty]

Ishikawa did the dark knight quest chains, not the current MSQ writer. The current one did The Sorrow of Werlyt Quests, Pandemonium, the EW patch quests and others. I agree though that they may not be used to writing long stories and that may be part of why this MSQ falls flat so often.

Speaking of which, Werlyt also had a huge issue with unearned redemption for Gaius where the writer just retconned with abandon to make all his past actions actually be morally just rather than properly deal with the more interesting moral grayness.

Between Gaius, Zero and Wuk Lamat, he clearly has a huge flaw as a writer with tunnel-visioning on a single character and twisting the rest of the narrative around them.

[Kaecilius]

Natsuko Ishikawa is a woman. You don't seem to know much about her—so maybe stick to what you do know. Or hey, do some research! She's a sweetheart and extremely talented.

They are commenting on the current Dawntrail writer, who also wrote Werlyt and the other arcs mentioned, not Ishikawa.

[Eyrilona]

Natsuko Ishikawa is a woman. You don't seem to know much about her—so maybe stick to what you do know. Or hey, do some research! She's a sweetheart and extremely talented.

Natsuko Ishikawa is a very talented woman indeed. However, the post you are responding to is talking about Daichi Hiroi, a man, and one whose reputation is not nearly so stellar.