You pull you tank question.

[Moxxi]

As a newbie tank that still struggle a bit with that tankxiety i usually just try to see how the party behaves, if they pull more when i stop i try to speed up to keep up. Only really done stuff up to 60 so yet to learn proper mitigation usage.. but if they think i can take it then i'll at least try and i will take mobs off people if they bring it into the AoE range as others say. I usually just don't know if my gear is good enough to handle a lot of mobs due to rng of dungeon drops, or if healer can manage to keep health up.. among other typical over thinking the situation.

[Luca_]

As a newbie tank that still struggle a bit with that tankxiety i usually just try to see how the party behaves, if they pull more when i stop i try to speed up to keep up. Only really done stuff up to 60 so yet to learn proper mitigation usage.. but if they think i can take it then i'll at least try and i will take mobs off people if they bring it into the AoE range as others say. I usually just don't know if my gear is good enough to handle a lot of mobs due to rng of dungeon drops, or if healer can manage to keep health up.. among other typical over thinking the situation.

That's a good mindset to have, I'm sure you're doing a great job! Just rotate through your mitigations instead of burning through them all at once and you'll do fine. I like to pop my biggest mit at the beginning of a pull and cycle through smaller ones/shorter CDs like Reprisal, sometimes combined with Arm's Length if the DPS are slacking and things are dying slowly. There's really no wrong way to do it.

Make sure you pick up vendor tome gear every 10 levels as it'll be the highest item level available and will generally last you a very long time. If you're finished with base Heavensward, you should be able to buy level 60 gear from a vendor in Idyllshire (you want the Shire Custodian set for tanks.)

[Vrankyl]

As a tank main there isn't a reason to not w2w pull most dungeons. Of course this is dependent on the healer, if the healer appears to be struggling I'll slow down. That said CAN PICTOMANCERS STOP ATTACKING BEFORE I AM DONE PULLING?! You generate an asinine amount of threat at the start of your rotation and that first pack only has a single AoE threat from me on it. Especially now with my gap closer not having any potency and the stinking delay in mobs registering my presence and I cannot wait until they fix this because it is so annoying. I can work around it, but it will never not irritate me.

[Asako]

As a newbie tank that still struggle a bit with that tankxiety i usually just try to see how the party behaves, if they pull more when i stop i try to speed up to keep up. Only really done stuff up to 60 so yet to learn proper mitigation usage.. but if they think i can take it then i'll at least try and i will take mobs off people if they bring it into the AoE range as others say. I usually just don't know if my gear is good enough to handle a lot of mobs due to rng of dungeon drops, or if healer can manage to keep health up.. among other typical over thinking the situation.

Proper Mitigation usage will never change in dungeons as they all follow the same layout. Trash trash boss x 3. First trash you use Rampart, Reprisal, Arms Length and Personals. Second Trash you use your 30/40%, Reprisal and Personals. Use Invuns if things go south.

The reason you use your Weaker CDs on first trash is because they have shorter cooldowns, and you will usually have your burst damage to absolutely pump the first batch.

Obviously this isn't mandatory but if you follow this Mitigation system you will always have cooldowns for every trash pull and every dungeon will fell the same and it becomes 2nd nature.

Don't use CDs on dungeon bosses other than your 25s personals and Reprisals as these will always be up for every buster / raidwide and also be back before trash pulls start.

[Moxxi]

New to forum so don't know how to reply to you both in one message. But thank you for the tips, seem to be the general theme from what guides say too. As someone that love DRK i am a bit limited until level 70 on personal stuff that isn't the stronger 30% one. since the others i got is risky invul or magic based =/ But i have tried to get the 50 and 60 gear from tomestones, i just need to build that confidence and understanding.. did make it a habit to check dungeon guides to know what i get into (takeaway from playing a terrible healer on another character up to shadowbringers.)

But to stay on topic there are those cases of 15-50 where i would not be too happy if dps pulls more since tanks are more limited on mitigation, depending on dps job there is a lack of aoe and healer have a bit more work on them. Aurum Vale and stone vigil i have seen mentioned. Since many of those don't have like a wall to stop you from continuing.

[sindriiisgaming]

New to forum so don't know how to reply to you both in one message. But thank you for the tips, seem to be the general theme from what guides say too. As someone that love DRK i am a bit limited until level 70 on personal stuff that isn't the stronger 30% one. since the others i got is risky invul or magic based =/ But i have tried to get the 50 and 60 gear from tomestones, i just need to build that confidence and understanding.. did make it a habit to check dungeon guides to know what i get into (takeaway from playing a terrible healer on another character up to shadowbringers.)

But to stay on topic there are those cases of 15-50 where i would not be too happy if dps pulls more since tanks are more limited on mitigation, depending on dps job there is a lack of aoe and healer have a bit more work on them. Aurum Vale and stone vigil i have seen mentioned. Since many of those don't have like a wall to stop you from continuing.

As a tank you are geared for almost all w2w pulls. On every job. Including dark, even in bad gear. The issue of keeping you alive Is 100% skill. Either you don't cycle mits enough or you don't cycle heals properly. Also the more you pull big the better u get at it

[Khryseis_Astra]

As a tank main there isn't a reason to not w2w pull most dungeons. Of course this is dependent on the healer, if the healer appears to be struggling I'll slow down. That said CAN PICTOMANCERS STOP ATTACKING BEFORE I AM DONE PULLING?! You generate an asinine amount of threat at the start of your rotation and that first pack only has a single AoE threat from me on it. Especially now with my gap closer not having any potency and the stinking delay in mobs registering my presence and I cannot wait until they fix this because it is so annoying. I can work around it, but it will never not irritate me.

They’ve said they’re going to be adjusting tank aggro in the patch because of this… I’m even ripping aggro when I’m on SMN, and I usually wait til the tank stops at his first wall to call out Bahamut! lol

I’m a caster DPS main, but I level everything and after that occasionally I’ll tank on GNB. I have a macro at the beginning that asks my healer how they would prefer their pulls. And I go based off their answer, because I personally find healing stressful and I don’t want to cause anyone else any stress! lol Most healers are fine with wall to wall, a good many prefer it. But there’s still a good many who are new to healing, or it’s not their main class or something they play regularly, so they’re not as confident. I level all my healers and then ignore them til it’s time to get their next 10 levels, unless I’m running with friends in a pre-made party! So I don’t assume every healer, even in high level content, is going to be confident in their role, especially with new skills being thrown in the mix.

Now if the healer wants a slow run and the DPS pull ahead? I’m not going to let them die on purpose, but it might happen if they go beyond the healer’s comfort zone. I’ll do my best to keep them alive, but they knew before the gate came up what the plan was.

[SaberEx]

While it is probably against ToS (griefing tactic) to refuse to tank, its not really reportable unless he write it off in chat. You can't "refuse to tank" but you can be bad and not "notice" you don't have aggro. (you can also not "notice" the chat begging for you to take aggro) and it also possible to forget tank stance or to click it off by "missclick".



To be fair, dont be a D*** ask the tank and healer if it is possible to pull wall to wall. He refuse? you can try to pull urself and accept the consequence if the tank/healer doesnt play along or quit the dungeon. Up to you

[Jokerz_93]

Well, imho, it’s a matter of being good player rather of being good at a specific role/class, especially during dungeons.

And being good player means, among other stuffs, understanding the circumstances of your party and adjust accordingly so everyone can have the smoothest run.
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Long version:

If the tank goes for a W2W pull, dps doesn’t need to pull ahead.
First bc now mobs have aggro on them and every melee can understand how the AoE dpsing works while mobs are moving (spoiler, not really well).
Second bc the real time-saving is achieved not by fast pulling but by fast slaughtering. And you get more dps out coming more mobs are gathered together.

As a Tank, I’m more than: you pulled? Than you wait till my ass is there.
I don’t want to impose my pace to others, nor I want the others do the same with me.
Solution? Middle ground.
And if I see a quick bunny jumping ahead me while I’m in the chill mood I’ll give them a mitigation to mitigate their impatience.

As a Dps/Healer I generally prefer to stand should to shoulder with tank, bc again the real time saving is how much dps I can do while all mobs are gather together.
And pulling ahead achieves only the result of being a much larger weight on healer’s shoulders.

At the end of the day a dungeon runs last between 15/20 minutes, even if it last 30 minutes, I think we are meant to PLAY the game, rather than to RUSH it.
Still, to each their own.

[SamuraiMiqo]

Putting my own two cents into this. I main Warrior, and at times I don't always have the best confidence in myself due to people being outright antagonizing towards me in the past. If I'm doing a new dungeon, I'll let people know it's my first time, or that I am rusty from not tanking in a long time. If a person (Healer or DPS) says to me "You're going to slow, pull more" and I say "I'm going to go at my pace, please let me get used to this dungeon." and one of them pulls mobs towards me when I'm trying to focus on what's in front of me, I get nervous and sometimes really annoyed after trying to be courteous. To me, it's all about communication and respect. If one doesn't listen and respect, that's when you're vote to kick.