"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Jojoya]

As a tank myself, it's a terrible mentality to have that just wastes time. It is best to put aside one's ego and do what needs to be done.

For a veteran tank, certainly. A veteran tank should be capable of handling it.

I would never expect a novice tank to do it when they're still learning their abilities. Trial by fire learning may work for some but many do not do well under those circumstances. Far better for the entire group to work with the tank than insist the tank take more than they are prepared to handle.

[ForteNightshade]

The same people who rush ahead without warning and consent usually also get triggered by the mere mention of shirk.
Because they want everyone to play as they want, but not take any responsibility at all.

Shirk isn't even a threat anymore, and hasn't been since Shadowbringers. You could have two tanks Shirk a DPS and they still won't rip aggro nowadays.

For a veteran tank, certainly. A veteran tank should be capable of handling it.

I would never expect a novice tank to do it when they're still learning their abilities. Trial by fire learning may work for some but many do not do well under those circumstances. Far better for the entire group to work with the tank than insist the tank take more than they are prepared to handle.

Conversely, you could argue "trial by fire" provides a riskless scenario for a newer tank. If they succeed, they've now learned how easy W2W pulls actually are. If they die, then I can fault the DPS for pulling.

That all being said, you aren't new past level 50--60 if we're being generous. Yes, you may be new to that particular dungeon but if you're struggling to wall pull at say, 95. That's on you for refusing to play the job correctly.

[Yurhee]

I would say most of problems is when experienced players get a novice tank that isn't mass pulling and all knowing so they start to pull to force it.

This. Exactly this. People can be running a dungeon for the first time, be new to the role, still learning mechanics etc... There are various reasons for a tank to have a mid space that isn't coming down to them being "petty".

When I tank if I'm indeed too slow (never happens after the discovery run) I'm fine with the "assistance", however when it's a tryhard wanted to speed things up, that doesn't even say "hi" or "gg" at the end of a dungeon (this has been skyrocketing, I don't really mind it, but way too often I'm the only person saying hello, probable 40-50% of the time, it wasn't like that prior DT), not giving me time to prepare/not giving time to someone for the above fair reasons, well I happily let them die. You don't care about other people ? Then why should we/I care about you ?

More so than even pulling, it's the attitude that annoys people, one very noticable that goes further than the innocent assitance.

[Vahlnir]

For a veteran tank, certainly. A veteran tank should be capable of handling it.

I would never expect a novice tank to do it when they're still learning their abilities. Trial by fire learning may work for some but many do not do well under those circumstances. Far better for the entire group to work with the tank than insist the tank take more than they are prepared to handle.

I was addressing the "you pull, you tank" mentality, not tanks learning their role. That is completely different.

[AnotherHighlander]

For a veteran tank, certainly. A veteran tank should be capable of handling it.

I would never expect a novice tank to do it when they're still learning their abilities. Trial by fire learning may work for some but many do not do well under those circumstances. Far better for the entire group to work with the tank than insist the tank take more than they are prepared to handle.

You can learn how to W2W in Sastasha already lmao.

[Karkarov]

I was addressing the "you pull, you tank" mentality, not tanks learning their role. That is completely different.

I don't know, as a guy who has played tank roles since before 1.0 even existed.... I won't mind if you do it once. You do it twice I will remind you it kind of makes my job harder and ask you to just let me do it. You do it a third time I will do nothing and let you eat all the attacks you want. I don't go slow, I don't mess around, I am "gap closing" and sprinting on basically every pull and I always pull the max allowed outside some old ARR and HW dungeons. In most groups I am in fact at the front unless someone is going out of their way to get ahead of me with teleports etc. So nah, if you want to be an idiot three times I am fine giving you the option to taste dirt.

[AnotherHighlander]

I don't know, as a guy who has played tank roles since before 1.0 even existed.... I won't mind if you do it once. You do it twice I will remind you it kind of makes my job harder and ask you to just let me do it. You do it a third time I will do nothing and let you eat all the attacks you want. I don't go slow, I don't mess around, I am "gap closing" and sprinting on basically every pull and I always pull the max allowed outside some old ARR and HW dungeons. In most groups I am in fact at the front unless someone is going out of their way to get ahead of me with teleports etc. So nah, if you want to be an idiot three times I am fine giving you the option to taste dirt.

Wow, so manly, so masculine!

[Karkarov]

Wow, so manly, so masculine!

More like "Wow so not willing to put up with players who are only there to showboat and make the run worse for everyone else."

[AnotherHighlander]

More like "Wow so not willing to put up with players who are only there to showboat and make the run worse for everyone else."

Actually not letting DPS pull is making the run worse for everyone else

It's optimal to let DPS pull, they're faster and they have an extra HP bar and Arm's Length.

[Edmund_Blackadder]

It is expected that in some dungeons you will accidentally pull an extra mob or pack of mobs by mistake, if this is a genuine error, there is no harm in admitting your mistake in chat and apologizing. However where this becomes a problem is the chronic Ninjapuller, who insists on running ahead of the group and pulling the mobs. I have experienced this in my recent dungeon runs where DPS and some healers have been running ahead of the tank pulling mobs repeatedly, and when asked to please keep with the group their usual response has been "Too slow".

Leveling dungeons are called leveling dungeons for a reason, if you see an inexperienced healer/tank, please be kind and avoid ninja pulling. Its a really bad habit.