FFXIV Healer Strike and the 'How would you fix it?' line

[Aravell]

Me? I play healer to heal. If I want to have involved DPS thoughts...I play a DPS (this is also far and away the most common approach in Japanese culture - which is a *huge* thing for you to consider).

Please just stop using the JP playerbase to bolster your argument, are you now claiming to speak for the JP majority too?

The JP playerbase isn't a hivemind either, you only know what a few people on their forums are saying, that doesn't reflect the whole. Have you seen their thoughts in other places? No, you have not, you just think the players on the JP forums represent their entire playerbase, which is incredibly funny because you claim the players on the EN forums are a minority and doesn't represent the wider playerbase.

[Striker44]

Please just stop using the JP playerbase to bolster your argument, are you now claiming to speak for the JP majority too?

The JP playerbase isn't a hivemind either, you only know what a few people on their forums are saying, that doesn't reflect the whole. Have you seen their thoughts in other places? No, you have not, you just think the players on the JP forums represent their entire playerbase, which is incredibly funny because you claim the players on the EN forums are a minority and doesn't represent the wider playerbase.

It's not the JP forums, and something doesn't have to be a "hivemind" with unanimous agreement to still be the norm for a culture. Way to make false assumptions and then use it to attack me, though. Just another revealing post about what happens when people dare oppose the "hivemind" or echo chamber around here...

People say “give constructive ideas not complain” then someone goes to this much effort to provide a constructive idea and people dismiss it out of hand

See the post I quoted above and the rest of your reply for some great examples of that...

1) 2 dots give that to the DPS first- BRD and GNB already have that and SMN used to have that before the remake you have championed before
2) nobody else has an AOE DOT- PLD and GNB, RPR functionally as well

Please read what I wrote again. GNB and PLD are not DPS classes and "old SMN" is irrelevant when talking about now. I said I believed all DPS classes should be given an AoE DoT before Healers get it. (I would also agree that all Tanks should get them before healers, too, since their primary purpose involves maintaining aggro on all enemies in a battle simultaneously.)

Where's that poster in the other thread who claimed the echo chamber around here doesn't gang up on or attack those who disagree with it? *chuckles* Man...

[Supersnow845]

It's not the JP forums, and something doesn't have to be a "hivemind" with unanimous agreement to still be the norm for a culture. Way to make false assumptions and then use it to attack me, though. Just another revealing post about what happens when people dare oppose the "hivemind" or echo chamber around here...



See the post I quoted above and the rest of your reply for some great examples of that...



Please read what I wrote again. GNB and PLD are not DPS classes and "old SMN" is irrelevant when talking about now. I said I believed all DPS classes should be given an AoE DoT before Healers get it. (I would also agree that all Tanks should get them before healers, too, since their primary purpose involves maintaining aggro on all enemies in a battle simultaneously.)

Where's that poster in the other thread who claimed the echo chamber around here doesn't gang up on or attack those who disagree with it? *chuckles* Man...

So you believe that every single other class in the game deserves any form of DPS ability before it has a chance to make its way to healers. That’s a………..flawed premise. Guess we also need to delete assize (not every tank and DPS has an AOE DPS oGCD that also heals), pnuema and macrocosmos (GCD damage neutral heals) baneful impact (AOE oGCD dot that follows a raid buff) all the DOT’s (30 second spammable DOT’s) AOW (gain on 2) E dyskrasia (AOE spammable DOT) toxicon (GCD for movement procced by a heal) misery (damage procced by a heal) damage cards (buffs) oracle (oGCD nuke after a raid buff) energy drain (oGCD you trade other resources for) AOW (spammable gain on 2) phlemga (charged GCD gain and movement tool) and glare 4 (spammable GCD attack following a raid buff)

So healers now have psyche, their nukes and all but SCH have AOE nukes

I engaged with the idea you meant anyone has these abilities rather than everyone has these abilities before healers get them because that precludes almost all their existing damage spells. And if healers should get everything last because they should be healing that still doesn’t explain why this game doesn’t put out enough damage

I’m not “ganging up on you” I just don’t agree with your points and that’s why I reply to you, I don’t really care about the wider opinions of other people in the strike, it’s why when people reply to me talking to someone else going “Yass queen you destroyed that person with your arguments” I never really bother to reply. I just put my own opinions down in here, I learned my lesson trying to egg on the collective sides after the renthras drama 3 years ago

[Aurelius2625]

It's not the JP forums, and something doesn't have to be a "hivemind" with unanimous agreement to still be the norm for a culture. Way to make false assumptions and then use it to attack me, though. Just another revealing post about what happens when people dare oppose the "hivemind" or echo chamber around here...



See the post I quoted above and the rest of your reply for some great examples of that...



Please read what I wrote again. GNB and PLD are not DPS classes and "old SMN" is irrelevant when talking about now. I said I believed all DPS classes should be given an AoE DoT before Healers get it. (I would also agree that all Tanks should get them before healers, too, since their primary purpose involves maintaining aggro on all enemies in a battle simultaneously.)

Where's that poster in the other thread who claimed the echo chamber around here doesn't gang up on or attack those who disagree with it? *chuckles* Man...

You are so painfully ignorant that I don't even want to begin to argue with you because you've already decided what you "believe". SE designs healers with DPSing as their main function in mind. Don't believe me? Look at literally any log from a competent healer. It's 95 percent Dosis/Glare spam with dots. They are the vast majority of casts of abilities by far. Like by far by far. It's not even anywhere near, and their healing skills are vastly inferior in number to those casts. The devs literally take healer dps into consideration when designing fights.

The fact that you are willing to deprive your fellow players with more flushed out DPS kits for healers when they don't have to heal (which is the majority of the time because healer tools are all scripted and fixed into a fight on a spreadsheet) just because "you don't want them to have it" is absurd. It's so cruel to do that to your fellow players. A true conservative at heart: I don't want things to change for the better, so I'm going to advocate for them remaining the same because I'm too scared to see what change might bring. Yuck.