FFXIV Healer Strike and the 'How would you fix it?' line

[Striker44]

Please just stop using the JP playerbase to bolster your argument, are you now claiming to speak for the JP majority too?

The JP playerbase isn't a hivemind either, you only know what a few people on their forums are saying, that doesn't reflect the whole. Have you seen their thoughts in other places? No, you have not, you just think the players on the JP forums represent their entire playerbase, which is incredibly funny because you claim the players on the EN forums are a minority and doesn't represent the wider playerbase.

It's not the JP forums, and something doesn't have to be a "hivemind" with unanimous agreement to still be the norm for a culture. Way to make false assumptions and then use it to attack me, though. Just another revealing post about what happens when people dare oppose the "hivemind" or echo chamber around here...

People say “give constructive ideas not complain” then someone goes to this much effort to provide a constructive idea and people dismiss it out of hand

See the post I quoted above and the rest of your reply for some great examples of that...

1) 2 dots give that to the DPS first- BRD and GNB already have that and SMN used to have that before the remake you have championed before
2) nobody else has an AOE DOT- PLD and GNB, RPR functionally as well

Please read what I wrote again. GNB and PLD are not DPS classes and "old SMN" is irrelevant when talking about now. I said I believed all DPS classes should be given an AoE DoT before Healers get it. (I would also agree that all Tanks should get them before healers, too, since their primary purpose involves maintaining aggro on all enemies in a battle simultaneously.)

Where's that poster in the other thread who claimed the echo chamber around here doesn't gang up on or attack those who disagree with it? *chuckles* Man...

[Supersnow845]

It's not the JP forums, and something doesn't have to be a "hivemind" with unanimous agreement to still be the norm for a culture. Way to make false assumptions and then use it to attack me, though. Just another revealing post about what happens when people dare oppose the "hivemind" or echo chamber around here...



See the post I quoted above and the rest of your reply for some great examples of that...



Please read what I wrote again. GNB and PLD are not DPS classes and "old SMN" is irrelevant when talking about now. I said I believed all DPS classes should be given an AoE DoT before Healers get it. (I would also agree that all Tanks should get them before healers, too, since their primary purpose involves maintaining aggro on all enemies in a battle simultaneously.)

Where's that poster in the other thread who claimed the echo chamber around here doesn't gang up on or attack those who disagree with it? *chuckles* Man...

So you believe that every single other class in the game deserves any form of DPS ability before it has a chance to make its way to healers. That’s a………..flawed premise. Guess we also need to delete assize (not every tank and DPS has an AOE DPS oGCD that also heals), pnuema and macrocosmos (GCD damage neutral heals) baneful impact (AOE oGCD dot that follows a raid buff) all the DOT’s (30 second spammable DOT’s) AOW (gain on 2) E dyskrasia (AOE spammable DOT) toxicon (GCD for movement procced by a heal) misery (damage procced by a heal) damage cards (buffs) oracle (oGCD nuke after a raid buff) energy drain (oGCD you trade other resources for) AOW (spammable gain on 2) phlemga (charged GCD gain and movement tool) and glare 4 (spammable GCD attack following a raid buff)

So healers now have psyche, their nukes and all but SCH have AOE nukes

I engaged with the idea you meant anyone has these abilities rather than everyone has these abilities before healers get them because that precludes almost all their existing damage spells. And if healers should get everything last because they should be healing that still doesn’t explain why this game doesn’t put out enough damage

I’m not “ganging up on you” I just don’t agree with your points and that’s why I reply to you, I don’t really care about the wider opinions of other people in the strike, it’s why when people reply to me talking to someone else going “Yass queen you destroyed that person with your arguments” I never really bother to reply. I just put my own opinions down in here, I learned my lesson trying to egg on the collective sides after the renthras drama 3 years ago

[miraidensetsu]

At this point, I would just nerf tanks survivability and DPS heals. To the point a tank can actually die if s/he pulls too much (even mitigating) and a tankbuster one-shot a tank that doesn't mitigate.

Speaking of mitigation, I would move that task to healers. Return protect/shell to White Mage, make AST have stronger mitigations, have mechanics where shields does matter.

[Xuled]

Nothing to fix. Queues are still filling and nothing came of this “strike”. As stated in the other thread, you need to unsubscribe to drive your point home to SE. Simply changing jobs to something non-healers but also still giving them money isn’t going to resolve this. SE is just laughing at this since they’re still raking in the coin.

[Supersnow845]

Nothing to fix. Queues are still filling and nothing came of this “strike”. As stated in the other thread, you need to unsubscribe to drive your point home to SE. Simply changing jobs to something non-healers but also still giving them money isn’t going to resolve this. SE is just laughing at this since they’re still raking in the coin.

Yeah I definitely want to throw the rest of the game out so I can unsubscribe in which they don’t even ask for feedback on what I’m unsubscribing for. I’m sure it’s pretty damn easy to pass my unsubscription off as problems with DT’s story

I’ve got no reason to unsub, the people who still like the trash healer design can fill my queues, I’m a PCT main now.

The EX PF and static recruitment scene also doesn’t paint a good picture for how healthy the healer population is but sure continue to plug your ears and pretend this isn’t a problem

[ForsakenRoe]

Nothing to fix. Queues are still filling and nothing came of this “strike”. As stated in the other thread, you need to unsubscribe to drive your point home to SE.

If I unsub, I can't give feedback on the forums, the place SE specifically states that I should give feedback. As mentioned, unsubbing doesn't give the option to say why we're unsubbing, so it's entirely possible that me unsubbing over healer feedback being ignored for the 6th consecutive year in a row would be misconstrued as 'they hate Wuk Lamat' or 'they can't run the new graphics on their Samsung Smartfridge anymore' or any number of reasons, except the one reason that it actually is

Speaking of mitigation, I would move that task to healers. Return protect/shell to White Mage, make AST have stronger mitigations, have mechanics where shields does matter.

This is an aspect of the designs that can be easily missed/glossed over. I gave all four healers a way to apply a party-wide Barrier (AST getting a barrier version of Asp. Helios, WHM getting a Lily spender), specifically for this reason. Back in ye olden days, we had things like Photon in A11S, or Vulcan Burst in UWU, where the 'correct solution' to the mechanic was actually 'have a barrier applied'.

Imagine for a moment, a hypothetical raid boss. It does a raidwide attack with two damage instances, the first deals a guaranteed 200 damage that ignores all percentage mitigation, it always deals 200 damage. It also applies a VERY strong Bleed DOT. The second instance happens a moment later, and deals... however much damage the devs want it to. Because the first instance of damage cannot be reduced by percentage mitigation tools, the Bleed snapshots as dealing 100% of the damage it's meant to as well, keeping it very spicy. But, if the 200 damage is blocked by a Barrier, the Bleed is negated too.

This gives the healers agency in how to tackle the damage. Some healers might have a kit that is more suited to applying a Barrier as the 'solution' (eg WHM with the damage neutral Lily spender, SCH/SGE if they have an OGCD ready for it), whereas other healers might have a kit that is better suited to taking the DOT and healing through it (eg AST, with its multiple OGCD HOT effects, WHM with the Lilybell). It's entirely possible that a healer could have an AOE Esuna tool, and that provides a third way for the DOT to be resolved (take the hit, get the DOT, remove it instantly). By doing a slight homogenization (of allowing all healers access to a Barrier in the same way all healers can 'burst heal'), it opens up the design space for more gameplay options in content

[Boblawblah]

We really don't need another healer mega-thread, we get it, you're not happy. No need to spam the entire general discussions with your repeated threads. If someone hasn't read all of your other mega-threads, they're not going to read this one.

[Aravell]

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Ah yes, you make wide unprovable claims, then when people correct you, you claim you're under attack.

What a joke.

Again. I'm pointing out that you see a couple people on the JP forums saying they like the current healers and you take it as indicative of a "common" viewpoint.

But then, you see a lot more people disliking the current healers on the EN forums and you claim it's a "minority" viewpoint.

That seems very biased to me and I'd rather you stand by your own arguments instead of using the JP players as a shield, it's a simple request.

[Heh]

Add a role trait
- Tank: Give passive damage reduction to party members by X%
- Healer: Give passive damage increase to party members by X%
- DPS: Increase damage received from AOE attacks on self by X%

[Rolder50]

Healers need something more engaging to do when there is nothing to heal. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.