"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[TBerry]

If you're actually friendly, no you won't be. Remember that it's a team game, you're not the leader and neither is anybody else.
Cooperation is not only the intent, but the expectation. If you stop to give the party attitude, then of course you're going to be accused. But if you ask nicely and explain with a good enough reason, then there's no problem.
At least, I haven't seen any situation where somebody gets harassed over it that hasn't resulted in whoever began being negative kicked from the group.

In the end, if you're asking the group to slow down so that you explicitly get to pull, you're not being cooperative and you're disrupting the group.
If you're asking the group to slow down because you can't keep up and you want to be part of the fighting, that's different. Everybody deserves to have fun and if somebody disagrees, oh well there's always next time.
And if you want to take your time, see the sights and be the main character without having to interact with other people, there's Duty Support.

This isn't about main character. Stop trying to make the actions of someone else my fault.
I tried to do my job! Despite everything, I couldn't because someone had to rush!

[Malthir]

Nope, I'm going to pull everything and I'll even stop eating Adderall so it becomes even more chaotic just for you. Time me out bro, assert your manly tank aura on me and scold me and put me in my place like the serious, upstanding, honorable gentleman you are! Paint my dead body with your masculinity, with the manly masculine pheromones that you release when an ADHD DPS pulls and dies before you can pull the mob and be at the front of all of us womanly and feeble DPS!! Manly justice is served and on this day the masculine tank ego will suffer no slight!

It's clowns like you that make alot of the tanks just run the MSQ dungeons with the NPC's. Enjoy your 30m-1h dungeon queues because you like being obnoxious to others.

If you're actually friendly, no you won't be. Remember that it's a team game, you're not the leader and neither is anybody else.
Cooperation is not only the intent, but the expectation. If you stop to give the party attitude, then of course you're going to be accused. But if you ask nicely and explain with a good enough reason, then there's no problem.
At least, I haven't seen any situation where somebody gets harassed over it that hasn't resulted in whoever began being negative kicked from the group.

In the end, if you're asking the group to slow down so that you explicitly get to pull, you're not being cooperative and you're disrupting the group.
If you're asking the group to slow down because you can't keep up and you want to be part of the fighting, that's different. Everybody deserves to have fun and if somebody disagrees, oh well there's always next time.
And if you want to take your time, see the sights and be the main character without having to interact with other people, there's Duty Support.

While I agree that good team comms is really the best outcome, and if everyone is happy with the dps helping with pulling fine. However, the tank has the final say because ultimately, if you're not the person responsible for dealing with something, you generally shouldn't be the one increasing the work load.

If you took on a job to paint 3 houses and you were prepped for 3 houses, then I ran over and said by the way I've just added another 3 houses that you have to deal with, you'd probably be pretty annoyed right?

As a DPS when you pull over extra mobs when the tank has already started, have you thought for a second, what are the tanks CD's right now. Because the time to kill 3 mobs is essentially the same as 6, we are all poping 1m cooldowns during a 3 mob fight the same as a 6 mob fight, If the fight starts, and you suddenly decide this isn't enough mobs for me, grab 3 more. Well TBN is on cooldown and so is shadow wall, you're dealing with that white damage until you die, or if I'm feeling generous when TBN is back.

[loosie]

I tried to do my job! Despite everything, I couldn't because someone had to rush!

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.

If you took on a job to paint 3 houses and you were prepped for 3 houses, then I ran over and said by the way I've just added another 3 houses that you have to deal with, you'd probably be pretty annoyed right?

I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

[Souljacker]

It's clowns like you that make alot of the tanks just run the MSQ dungeons with the NPC's. Enjoy your 30m-1h dungeon queues because you like being obnoxious to others.

Exactly. This thread makes it to 100+ posts with folks having 0 awareness that these shitty attitudes are why trusts are so freaking popular. I can't remember the last time I queued an expert. Probably don't even have the last patch ones unlocked. I'd rather enjoy my content in the trust dungeons, and earn tomes from the larger roulettes where I can just disappear into the crowd if I can even be bothered.

Folks behave like entitled, spoiled children trying to force others to play 'their way' and this is the result. SE gives players a choice and we choose not to engage with these babies.

[Souljacker]

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.




I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

But you're expected to paint those additional three houses while you are handling the three you already have. You don't get to paint the three houses NEXT. It's RIGHT NOW.

Don't miss this crucial detail.

[Malthir]

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.




I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

Really, so you don't have enough paint aka CD's for those extra jobs right now, but they need to be handle asap. Still think you'd be happy when your business partner just keeps throwing on extra jobs on you without a care about your current situation. I'm really starting to drag this analogy along to much but surely you see what I'm getting at. The person responsible for doing the work is responsible for sorting the work load.

[loosie]

But you're expected to paint those additional three houses while you are handling the three you already have. You don't get to paint the three houses NEXT. It's RIGHT NOW.

Don't miss this crucial detail.

You do realize that if you do try your best to tank extra mobs, you're not doing anything wrong, right? If you actually die, then the only issue is player skill, not attitude. That's perfectly fine, it's not reportable and I'm going to be completely supportive of you.
If you decide to stop tanking, that's a problem. Now it's no longer a question of whether or not you can handle it, it's you choosing to not play out of pure malice.

Folks behave like entitled, spoiled children trying to force others to play 'their way' and this is the result. SE gives players a choice and we choose not to engage with these babies.

And willfully ignoring mobs that are killing your party just because you didn't pull them yourself isn't acting like an entitled, spoiled child trying to force others to play 'their way'?

[Ruruura]

What i hate the most of threads like these is that this tank bashing and hatred is beginning to spill into the game, with the community slowly seeming to accept that treating tanks like crap is the new cool thing to do.

So many of the incidents that i have suffered as a tank have been completely unprovoked and without me even engaging in YPYT or even chastising eager pullers.
It feels like people literally want to fight tanks because they are the new "dragoons tanking the floor" meme that everyone wants to participate in.

You just need to see how many "tanks, m i right?" threads you see in these forums, or reddit, or Twitter, and every single one of them reads about the same.

So, as many others in this thread, i have since been playing only with NPCs and with guildies, completely refusing to party up with random people for as much as i can avoid it.
I used to queue up for dungeons and trials constantly as a tank both because i enjoyed it and to honestly give a hand to people who needed it, especially in late hours, but frankly, i am pretty much done with it.

´tis what it is.

[TBerry]

You do realize that if you do try your best to tank extra mobs, you're not doing anything wrong, right? If you actually die, then the only issue is player skill, not attitude. That's perfectly fine, it's not reportable and I'm going to be completely supportive of you.
If you decide to stop tanking, that's a problem. Now it's no longer a question of whether or not you can handle it, it's you choosing to not play out of pure malice.

You do realize that if it's pointless if you don't even let tanks do their job, right?

[Souljacker]

You do realize that if you do try your best to tank extra mobs, you're not doing anything wrong, right? If you actually die, then the only issue is player skill, not attitude. That's perfectly fine, it's not reportable and I'm going to be completely supportive of you.
If you decide to stop tanking, that's a problem. Now it's no longer a question of whether or not you can handle it, it's you choosing to not play out of pure malice.



And willfully ignoring mobs that are killing your party just because you didn't pull them yourself isn't acting like an entitled, spoiled child trying to force others to play 'their way'?

The tank is tanking the mobs the tank grabbed. The tank has judged the amount of mobs he or she can handle given the unknown quantities in the party and their own ability. That was the job the tank agreed to when clicking the queue button. Someone else pulls additional and the party dies, wasting more time than if they'd just been a little patient, but hey it's okay, because at least "you tried"?

Come on, you're not even trying to make it make sense.

Go ahead, report folks for not picking up mobs you unilaterally decided as a DPS the tank and healer "should" be okay with handling. And continue to watch those sweet, sweet 15+ minutes queues because fewer and fewer folks want to deal with the stress and nonsense and either do trusts or only play with FC members\friends.

As an aside, why don't you folks just do that? Want to push the limits? Throw up a PF or run with friends and everyone can pull everything. You'd honestly probably fill faster doing that. Don't bring that to the queue and expect everyone is performing at your expected peak level. Some folks are gearing up, not ready for wall to wall, just returning to the game, know they have a RL distraction they might need to look at in a second, the reasons for not going at breakneck speed are endless. You never know what you get in a roulette, why is it such a problem to be chill and let the tanks and healers set the pace?