"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Malthir]

Nope, I'm going to pull everything and I'll even stop eating Adderall so it becomes even more chaotic just for you. Time me out bro, assert your manly tank aura on me and scold me and put me in my place like the serious, upstanding, honorable gentleman you are! Paint my dead body with your masculinity, with the manly masculine pheromones that you release when an ADHD DPS pulls and dies before you can pull the mob and be at the front of all of us womanly and feeble DPS!! Manly justice is served and on this day the masculine tank ego will suffer no slight!

It's clowns like you that make alot of the tanks just run the MSQ dungeons with the NPC's. Enjoy your 30m-1h dungeon queues because you like being obnoxious to others.

If you're actually friendly, no you won't be. Remember that it's a team game, you're not the leader and neither is anybody else.
Cooperation is not only the intent, but the expectation. If you stop to give the party attitude, then of course you're going to be accused. But if you ask nicely and explain with a good enough reason, then there's no problem.
At least, I haven't seen any situation where somebody gets harassed over it that hasn't resulted in whoever began being negative kicked from the group.

In the end, if you're asking the group to slow down so that you explicitly get to pull, you're not being cooperative and you're disrupting the group.
If you're asking the group to slow down because you can't keep up and you want to be part of the fighting, that's different. Everybody deserves to have fun and if somebody disagrees, oh well there's always next time.
And if you want to take your time, see the sights and be the main character without having to interact with other people, there's Duty Support.

While I agree that good team comms is really the best outcome, and if everyone is happy with the dps helping with pulling fine. However, the tank has the final say because ultimately, if you're not the person responsible for dealing with something, you generally shouldn't be the one increasing the work load.

If you took on a job to paint 3 houses and you were prepped for 3 houses, then I ran over and said by the way I've just added another 3 houses that you have to deal with, you'd probably be pretty annoyed right?

As a DPS when you pull over extra mobs when the tank has already started, have you thought for a second, what are the tanks CD's right now. Because the time to kill 3 mobs is essentially the same as 6, we are all poping 1m cooldowns during a 3 mob fight the same as a 6 mob fight, If the fight starts, and you suddenly decide this isn't enough mobs for me, grab 3 more. Well TBN is on cooldown and so is shadow wall, you're dealing with that white damage until you die, or if I'm feeling generous when TBN is back.

[loosie]

I tried to do my job! Despite everything, I couldn't because someone had to rush!

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.

If you took on a job to paint 3 houses and you were prepped for 3 houses, then I ran over and said by the way I've just added another 3 houses that you have to deal with, you'd probably be pretty annoyed right?

I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

[Souljacker]

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.




I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

But you're expected to paint those additional three houses while you are handling the three you already have. You don't get to paint the three houses NEXT. It's RIGHT NOW.

Don't miss this crucial detail.

[Malthir]

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.




I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

Really, so you don't have enough paint aka CD's for those extra jobs right now, but they need to be handle asap. Still think you'd be happy when your business partner just keeps throwing on extra jobs on you without a care about your current situation. I'm really starting to drag this analogy along to much but surely you see what I'm getting at. The person responsible for doing the work is responsible for sorting the work load.

[Souljacker]

It's clowns like you that make alot of the tanks just run the MSQ dungeons with the NPC's. Enjoy your 30m-1h dungeon queues because you like being obnoxious to others.

Exactly. This thread makes it to 100+ posts with folks having 0 awareness that these shitty attitudes are why trusts are so freaking popular. I can't remember the last time I queued an expert. Probably don't even have the last patch ones unlocked. I'd rather enjoy my content in the trust dungeons, and earn tomes from the larger roulettes where I can just disappear into the crowd if I can even be bothered.

Folks behave like entitled, spoiled children trying to force others to play 'their way' and this is the result. SE gives players a choice and we choose not to engage with these babies.

[loosie]

But you're expected to paint those additional three houses while you are handling the three you already have. You don't get to paint the three houses NEXT. It's RIGHT NOW.

Don't miss this crucial detail.

You do realize that if you do try your best to tank extra mobs, you're not doing anything wrong, right? If you actually die, then the only issue is player skill, not attitude. That's perfectly fine, it's not reportable and I'm going to be completely supportive of you.
If you decide to stop tanking, that's a problem. Now it's no longer a question of whether or not you can handle it, it's you choosing to not play out of pure malice.

Folks behave like entitled, spoiled children trying to force others to play 'their way' and this is the result. SE gives players a choice and we choose not to engage with these babies.

And willfully ignoring mobs that are killing your party just because you didn't pull them yourself isn't acting like an entitled, spoiled child trying to force others to play 'their way'?

[TBerry]

You do realize that if you do try your best to tank extra mobs, you're not doing anything wrong, right? If you actually die, then the only issue is player skill, not attitude. That's perfectly fine, it's not reportable and I'm going to be completely supportive of you.
If you decide to stop tanking, that's a problem. Now it's no longer a question of whether or not you can handle it, it's you choosing to not play out of pure malice.

You do realize that if it's pointless if you don't even let tanks do their job, right?

[loosie]

You do realize that if it's pointless if you don't even let tanks do their job, right?

Maybe you should define "not letting tanks do their job".
Because if you pull a mob to the tank and he stops hitting the AoE buttons, it's the tank who refuses to do their job.
And if you're not required to tank, why does it bother you so much that you're not tanking?

[TBerry]

Maybe you should define "not letting tanks do their job".
Because if you pull a mob to the tank and he stops hitting the AoE buttons, it's the tank who refuses to do their job.
And if you're not required to tank, why does it bother you so much that you're not tanking?

Not even attempts of wall-to-walls are guaranteed because someone just wants to speedrun without anyone's consent. Unless there is an L next to your name you do not decide the pace if you're not Tank or Healer.

[Malthir]

Maybe you should define "not letting tanks do their job".
Because if you pull a mob to the tank and he stops hitting the AoE buttons, it's the tank who refuses to do their job.
And if you're not required to tank, why does it bother you so much that you're not tanking?

So you just ignoring what I said about CD's. We have moves that make use take less damage we need to use or die. If I start a pull I'm popping some of these, if it's a big pull I wait till all mobs are together, before pressing CD's if it's a small one I use it as soon as I've got the mobs were I want them. If I've press my CD's and then all of a sudden another pack of mobs is brought into the fight, I'm getting shafted, because the DPS decided they were bored/wanted to get a purple colour for this dungeon.

There are many reasons as to why the tank is pulling smaller packs, by all means ask is there a reason, and maybe suggest you could gather them up etc. However the fact remains, aggro is the tanks responsibility their for pulling is their responsibility and the decision of how many mobs are in this fight, is the tanks to make. If you don't like that when you pull as a DPS, you're rolling the dice on if I feel like taking aggro from you, but you're literally now the bottom of my priority list. Staying alive is number 1 and if that means I watch 3 mobs smash you teeth in for the next 30s while I waste of CD's then that's your fault.