"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[HighlanderClone]

If you as a DPS player want to run off because you couldn't keep you ADHD in check for 1m, yep you deserve to be on the floor in a time out, I'll grab the aggro once you die. DPS don't pay attention to how the party is handling things as a whole, it's always be a notoriously selfish role, maybe take a beat and think is the tank paying attention to something I'm not aware of. For example, maybe the healers new/not very good, so the tank is doing slightly smaller pulls to make it abit easier on them. Or do the other hyperactivity red kiddos keep getting clapped by AOE's so the tanks pulling less mobs so there's less for us to get hit by?

Nope, I'm going to pull everything and I'll even stop eating Adderall so it becomes even more chaotic just for you. Time me out bro, assert your manly tank aura on me and scold me and put me in my place like the serious, upstanding, honorable gentleman you are! Paint my dead body with your masculinity, with the manly masculine pheromones that you release when an ADHD DPS pulls and dies before you can pull the mob and be at the front of all of us womanly and feeble DPS!! Manly justice is served and on this day the masculine tank ego will suffer no slight!

[TBerry]

Nope, I'm going to pull everything and I'll even stop eating Adderall so it becomes even more chaotic just for you. Time me out bro, assert your manly tank aura on me and scold me and put me in my place like the serious, upstanding, honorable gentleman you are! Paint my dead body with your masculinity, with the manly masculine pheromones that you release when an ADHD DPS pulls and dies before you can pull the mob and be at the front of all of us womanly and feeble DPS!! Manly justice is served and on this day the masculine tank ego will suffer no slight!

So basically nuisance behavior.
Enjoy your ban.

A guildhest was enough to push me to the "You pull you take the damage" mentality. All I did was take care of 2 Opo-Opos and from there on I could never catch up. My sprint was on constant cooldown, and when I was in front, the healer pulled before I could get into range. Just plain egotistical behavior. Not once was I able to pull. Despite all my effort.

[loosie]

A guildhest was enough to push me to the "You pull you take the damage" mentality. All I did was take care of 2 Opo-Opos and from there on I could never catch up. My sprint was on constant cooldown, and when I was in front, the healer pulled before I could get into range. Just plain egotistical behavior. Not once was I able to pull. Despite all my effort.

What you're basically doing here is admitting that the only reason you don't want the DPS to pull is entirely about your own ego.
There's no negative effect on gameplay no matter who pulls mobs, as long as they all die and the team is alive. And if you're playing and trying your best, that's what's going to happen.
If you don't want other people to pull for you, ask nicely in the party chat and make it clear that you're unable to keep up. There are a lot of seniors playing the game too, so such a request isn't out of the question.
And if the tank isn't even needed to clear the content, there's no problem at all.

Please stop making the dungeon experience so negative and stressful for the other three players in your party.

[TBerry]

What you're basically doing here is admitting that the only reason you don't want the DPS to pull is entirely about your own ego.
There's no negative effect on gameplay no matter who pulls mobs, as long as they all die and the team is alive. And if you're playing and trying your best, that's what's going to happen.
If you don't want other people to pull for you, ask nicely in the party chat and make it clear that you're unable to keep up. There are a lot of seniors playing the game too, so such a request isn't out of the question.
And if the tank isn't even needed to clear the content, there's no problem at all.

Please stop making the dungeon experience so negative and stressful for the other three players in your party.

If I stopped to type I would've been accused of being egotistical anyway and or griefing.
I tried to do my job. The job I've seen in others doing in so many other dungeons.

[loosie]

If I stopped to type I would've been accused of being egotistical anyway and or griefing.

If you're actually friendly, no you won't be. Remember that it's a team game, you're not the leader and neither is anybody else.
Cooperation is not only the intent, but the expectation. If you stop to give the party attitude, then of course you're going to be accused. But if you ask nicely and explain with a good enough reason, then there's no problem.
At least, I haven't seen any situation where somebody gets harassed over it that hasn't resulted in whoever began being negative kicked from the group.

In the end, if you're asking the group to slow down so that you explicitly get to pull, you're not being cooperative and you're disrupting the group.
If you're asking the group to slow down because you can't keep up and you want to be part of the fighting, that's different. Everybody deserves to have fun and if somebody disagrees, oh well there's always next time.
And if you want to take your time, see the sights and be the main character without having to interact with other people, there's Duty Support.

[TBerry]

If you're actually friendly, no you won't be. Remember that it's a team game, you're not the leader and neither is anybody else.
Cooperation is not only the intent, but the expectation. If you stop to give the party attitude, then of course you're going to be accused. But if you ask nicely and explain with a good enough reason, then there's no problem.
At least, I haven't seen any situation where somebody gets harassed over it that hasn't resulted in whoever began being negative kicked from the group.

In the end, if you're asking the group to slow down so that you explicitly get to pull, you're not being cooperative and you're disrupting the group.
If you're asking the group to slow down because you can't keep up and you want to be part of the fighting, that's different. Everybody deserves to have fun and if somebody disagrees, oh well there's always next time.
And if you want to take your time, see the sights and be the main character without having to interact with other people, there's Duty Support.

This isn't about main character. Stop trying to make the actions of someone else my fault.
I tried to do my job! Despite everything, I couldn't because someone had to rush!

[Malthir]

Nope, I'm going to pull everything and I'll even stop eating Adderall so it becomes even more chaotic just for you. Time me out bro, assert your manly tank aura on me and scold me and put me in my place like the serious, upstanding, honorable gentleman you are! Paint my dead body with your masculinity, with the manly masculine pheromones that you release when an ADHD DPS pulls and dies before you can pull the mob and be at the front of all of us womanly and feeble DPS!! Manly justice is served and on this day the masculine tank ego will suffer no slight!

It's clowns like you that make alot of the tanks just run the MSQ dungeons with the NPC's. Enjoy your 30m-1h dungeon queues because you like being obnoxious to others.

If you're actually friendly, no you won't be. Remember that it's a team game, you're not the leader and neither is anybody else.
Cooperation is not only the intent, but the expectation. If you stop to give the party attitude, then of course you're going to be accused. But if you ask nicely and explain with a good enough reason, then there's no problem.
At least, I haven't seen any situation where somebody gets harassed over it that hasn't resulted in whoever began being negative kicked from the group.

In the end, if you're asking the group to slow down so that you explicitly get to pull, you're not being cooperative and you're disrupting the group.
If you're asking the group to slow down because you can't keep up and you want to be part of the fighting, that's different. Everybody deserves to have fun and if somebody disagrees, oh well there's always next time.
And if you want to take your time, see the sights and be the main character without having to interact with other people, there's Duty Support.

While I agree that good team comms is really the best outcome, and if everyone is happy with the dps helping with pulling fine. However, the tank has the final say because ultimately, if you're not the person responsible for dealing with something, you generally shouldn't be the one increasing the work load.

If you took on a job to paint 3 houses and you were prepped for 3 houses, then I ran over and said by the way I've just added another 3 houses that you have to deal with, you'd probably be pretty annoyed right?

As a DPS when you pull over extra mobs when the tank has already started, have you thought for a second, what are the tanks CD's right now. Because the time to kill 3 mobs is essentially the same as 6, we are all poping 1m cooldowns during a 3 mob fight the same as a 6 mob fight, If the fight starts, and you suddenly decide this isn't enough mobs for me, grab 3 more. Well TBN is on cooldown and so is shadow wall, you're dealing with that white damage until you die, or if I'm feeling generous when TBN is back.

[loosie]

I tried to do my job! Despite everything, I couldn't because someone had to rush!

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.

If you took on a job to paint 3 houses and you were prepped for 3 houses, then I ran over and said by the way I've just added another 3 houses that you have to deal with, you'd probably be pretty annoyed right?

I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

[Souljacker]

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.




I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

But you're expected to paint those additional three houses while you are handling the three you already have. You don't get to paint the three houses NEXT. It's RIGHT NOW.

Don't miss this crucial detail.

[Malthir]

But if you YPYT and stop tanking, you're no longer trying to do your job. That's the issue.




I don't know, I think I'd be pretty happy about that because I get paid for each house I paint.

Really, so you don't have enough paint aka CD's for those extra jobs right now, but they need to be handle asap. Still think you'd be happy when your business partner just keeps throwing on extra jobs on you without a care about your current situation. I'm really starting to drag this analogy along to much but surely you see what I'm getting at. The person responsible for doing the work is responsible for sorting the work load.