Dawntrail's Final Zones destroy everything the story has built.

[LittleArrow]

I did the beast tribe to the very end, and I also disagree with the idea of Ultima Thule being a weird refuge for the dead of different worlds. It was certainly pretty though.

But as others explained, it just exists and it's on the edge of the universe far away from everything and will never interact with anything in our lives again. It also doesn't require upkeep or the souls of the living to maintain.

Maintaining a necropolis made up of the memories of the dead as if they were living and placing them in Disney World forever is morbid and grotesque and I couldn't shut it down fast enough. The zone needed padding though so we got to interact with them before we turned off the lights and it also makes us feel bad about our decision, but it was a decision that needed to be done anyway.

Well if that's the case, I just have to agree to disagree. Self defense = good, sacrificing the living for the dead = bad, but also attempting to find a compromise even if we fail = also good and the very WoL thing to do considering past iterations of the story.

I see your points, I just disagree with them as you do mine, respectfully of course.

[Kaecilius]

Well if that's the case, I just have to agree to disagree. Self defense = good, sacrificing the living for the dead = bad, but also attempting to find a compromise even if we fail = also good and the very WoL thing to do considering past iterations of the story.

This is the part that irks me about not even having *tried* to find another way. It's been shown, time and time again, that we're able to do things previously considered impossible. We stopped the song of oblivion that caused the destruction of a highly advanced civilization (when they could only put a band-aid on it), and we pushed back against the Flood of Light slowly restoring The Empty, something that was absolutely unthinkable.

I understand that in the framing of the story there's just no time at all to find solutions, but it feels that the story hinges on Sphene and the Scions not actually communicating at all ever. During Solution Nine she gets glimpses that we have a ton of knowledge that is beyond her but is never curious to learn the details.

[Granyala]

We also don't know whether they have been erased from existence or just put back on the 'hard drive'. Their memories might still be there they just aren't consuming Aether anymore. Which is a much better situation than draining vast amounts of Aether to make arcane entities which act human.

They are DELETED. The quest made that abundantly clear.
Krile's parents also wanted to be DELETED because they want their knowledge to be gone for good.

There is no restoring these memories.

I understand that in the framing of the story there's just no time at all to find solutions, but it feels that the story hinges on Sphene and the Scions not actually communicating at all ever. During Solution Nine she gets glimpses that we have a ton of knowledge that is beyond her but is never curious to learn the details.

Yeah I too found that very odd. I mean while Energy is a concern, Sphene would have enough time for a few years of research, especially if she'd just put the endless into storage.

Though that isn't the most obvious flaw of the story. The most obvious flaw is the temporal differential. It is arbitrarily introduced and then glossed over completely.

30 years passed in what was for us maybe a week, if at all. That is a factor of 1.564. This is insane! One Hour on the outside of the dome would mean 65 days inside the dome. At most we were in there 2 days, if not less. Tuliyollal would have a had a whopping 2 MINUTES to prepare for the second invasion.

And at the end, Alexandrians still use their regulators, despite knowing that the system is not sustainable. Heck they even derp around with gladiator fights. Dafuq?

So while I like the whole "moral debate", the story has tremendous logic problems and is ... simply put: not well thought through at all.

[Gortys]

But storing souls is also part of why we fought the Endsinger. By not allowing souls to go back into the aetherial sea these are just pretty versions of Ultima Thule. So for Wuk Lamat to just hand wave at the end that the people in Solution 9/Heritage Found can just continue to live as they always have destroys everything built in the lore for me. I know it's really just an excuse for when they intro the new beastmaster job, but still a poor decision.

[MikkoAkure]

30 years passed in what was for us maybe a week, if at all. That is a factor of 1.564. This is insane! One Hour on the outside of the dome would mean 65 days inside the dome. At most we were in there 2 days, if not less. Tuliyollal would have a had a whopping 2 MINUTES to prepare for the second invasion.

They mention that as soon as Vanguard broke the barrier between worlds, time on both now flows at the same rate.

[Granyala]

They mention that as soon as Vanguard broke the barrier between worlds, time on both now flows at the same rate.

Makes no sense though. The barrier between worlds has been broken the moment Alexandria was transported to the source. So for all intents and purposes, there should not have been any temporal differential the moment the dome appeared and was visible for us.

[MikkoAkure]

Makes no sense though. The barrier between worlds has been broken the moment Alexandria was transported to the source. So for all intents and purposes, there should not have been any temporal differential the moment the dome appeared and was visible for us.

The dome was whole, and then they built Vanguard and broke through the barrier to launch the attack on Tuliyollal. It was the breach in the dome that synchronized time flow since the other I guess was still in a weird limbo state pocket dimension.

Was pretty sure G'raha explained briefly it some time in the MSQ. They had to bust through the dome in order to leave and attack Tural and that took 30 years.

[Granyala]

The dome was whole, and then they built Vanguard and broke through the barrier to launch the attack on Tuliyollal. It was the breach in the dome that synchronized time flow since the other I guess was still in a weird limbo state pocket dimension.

Was pretty sure G'raha explained briefly it some time in the MSQ.

Yeah I'm sure they bullshitted a convenient way out of the mess.

Which leads to another problem really: where did the Alexandrians, that lived in a tiny dome for 100s of years in their world already, even get the necessary resources / Electrope to build a fleet of Heli-carriers, and a legion of AI soldiers, when Electrope was scarce enough on their planet to fight wars over?!

Where do they get their resources / Electrope to "continue their lives w/o change" now that they are basically stranded in the source?

[MikkoAkure]

Yeah I'm sure they bullshitted a convenient way out of the mess.

Which leads to another problem really: where did the Alexandrians, that lived in a tiny dome for 100s of years in their world already, even get the necessary resources / Electrope to build a fleet of Heli-carriers, and a legion of AI soldiers, when Electrope was scarce enough on their planet to fight wars over?!

Where do they get their resources / Electrope to "continue their lives w/o change" now that they are basically stranded in the source?

There's an active electrope mine right next to the Everkeep in Heritage Found with a lot of the ore visible in it. Players can also mine the mineral ourselves.

[Granyala]

There's an active electrope mine right next to the Everkeep in Heritage Found with a lot of the ore visible in it. Players can also mine the mineral ourselves.

Sure, I saw that but that's only one mine. How long is it going to last? It's not as if they have the option of exploring the planet and finding other sources of Electrope.

Eventually they'll have to cannibalize non essential systems and it's all downhill from there. I wish the story would actually touch on such subjects instead of communicating "ooh all is well, no consequences, live on as you ever lived!"