Dawntrail's Final Zones destroy everything the story has built.

[Mikey_R]

It's not sufficient to convince the player to simply tell them "it's not possible". We should be shown/explained why it is not possible.

We were told exactly why it wasn't possible. As more Endless are created, you require more and more energy. Energy isn't infinite, there is only so much that can go around.

Now, I use the word energy here for a good reason. The system might have started out using souls to power it, we might have changed it to require Aether or Dynamis, maybe both. It doesn't matter, at some point, it will end.

We also have not met a technological civilisation that wanted to keep all their dead alive for all eternity, so no, we haven't met a civilisation that could do it no problems.

We also don't know whether they have been erased from existence or just put back on the 'hard drive'. Their memories might still be there they just aren't consuming Aether anymore. Which is a much better situation than draining vast amounts of Aether to make arcane entities which act human.

[Granyala]

We also don't know whether they have been erased from existence or just put back on the 'hard drive'. Their memories might still be there they just aren't consuming Aether anymore. Which is a much better situation than draining vast amounts of Aether to make arcane entities which act human.

They are DELETED. The quest made that abundantly clear.
Krile's parents also wanted to be DELETED because they want their knowledge to be gone for good.

There is no restoring these memories.

I understand that in the framing of the story there's just no time at all to find solutions, but it feels that the story hinges on Sphene and the Scions not actually communicating at all ever. During Solution Nine she gets glimpses that we have a ton of knowledge that is beyond her but is never curious to learn the details.

Yeah I too found that very odd. I mean while Energy is a concern, Sphene would have enough time for a few years of research, especially if she'd just put the endless into storage.

Though that isn't the most obvious flaw of the story. The most obvious flaw is the temporal differential. It is arbitrarily introduced and then glossed over completely.

30 years passed in what was for us maybe a week, if at all. That is a factor of 1.564. This is insane! One Hour on the outside of the dome would mean 65 days inside the dome. At most we were in there 2 days, if not less. Tuliyollal would have a had a whopping 2 MINUTES to prepare for the second invasion.

And at the end, Alexandrians still use their regulators, despite knowing that the system is not sustainable. Heck they even derp around with gladiator fights. Dafuq?

So while I like the whole "moral debate", the story has tremendous logic problems and is ... simply put: not well thought through at all.

[MikkoAkure]

30 years passed in what was for us maybe a week, if at all. That is a factor of 1.564. This is insane! One Hour on the outside of the dome would mean 65 days inside the dome. At most we were in there 2 days, if not less. Tuliyollal would have a had a whopping 2 MINUTES to prepare for the second invasion.

They mention that as soon as Vanguard broke the barrier between worlds, time on both now flows at the same rate.

[Granyala]

They mention that as soon as Vanguard broke the barrier between worlds, time on both now flows at the same rate.

Makes no sense though. The barrier between worlds has been broken the moment Alexandria was transported to the source. So for all intents and purposes, there should not have been any temporal differential the moment the dome appeared and was visible for us.

[MikkoAkure]

Makes no sense though. The barrier between worlds has been broken the moment Alexandria was transported to the source. So for all intents and purposes, there should not have been any temporal differential the moment the dome appeared and was visible for us.

The dome was whole, and then they built Vanguard and broke through the barrier to launch the attack on Tuliyollal. It was the breach in the dome that synchronized time flow since the other I guess was still in a weird limbo state pocket dimension.

Was pretty sure G'raha explained briefly it some time in the MSQ. They had to bust through the dome in order to leave and attack Tural and that took 30 years.

[Granyala]

The dome was whole, and then they built Vanguard and broke through the barrier to launch the attack on Tuliyollal. It was the breach in the dome that synchronized time flow since the other I guess was still in a weird limbo state pocket dimension.

Was pretty sure G'raha explained briefly it some time in the MSQ.

Yeah I'm sure they bullshitted a convenient way out of the mess.

Which leads to another problem really: where did the Alexandrians, that lived in a tiny dome for 100s of years in their world already, even get the necessary resources / Electrope to build a fleet of Heli-carriers, and a legion of AI soldiers, when Electrope was scarce enough on their planet to fight wars over?!

Where do they get their resources / Electrope to "continue their lives w/o change" now that they are basically stranded in the source?

[MikkoAkure]

Yeah I'm sure they bullshitted a convenient way out of the mess.

Which leads to another problem really: where did the Alexandrians, that lived in a tiny dome for 100s of years in their world already, even get the necessary resources / Electrope to build a fleet of Heli-carriers, and a legion of AI soldiers, when Electrope was scarce enough on their planet to fight wars over?!

Where do they get their resources / Electrope to "continue their lives w/o change" now that they are basically stranded in the source?

There's an active electrope mine right next to the Everkeep in Heritage Found with a lot of the ore visible in it. Players can also mine the mineral ourselves.

[VoidsentStatus]

We also have not met a technological civilisation that wanted to keep all their dead alive for all eternity, so no, we haven't met a civilisation that could do it no problems.

Actually we have. Lore Encyclopedia vol3 from Meteia's travels across the great expanse.

"The Ea are believed to have once been organic creatures composed of aether like any other, though information concerning this earlier stoage of their existence is limited. Having achieved the pinnacle of technological advancement, they possessed the secrets of biological immortaility."

"Without flesh, the Ea do not require food, per se, instead consuming pure aether to prevent senescence."

The Ea's however, weren't concerned with limited supplies of aether to deal with their immortality, but instead were concerned with the expanse of the universe ending in a giant freezed state. The implication being that they found an infinite resource for the creation of aether.

We also have:

The Omicrons: "over time, they rebuilt and replaced portions of themselves and converted their very consciousness into data that could be transmitted and preserved."

The Nibirun: "After obtaining the key to immortality, however, the molding of subsequent generations lost all meaning. ----At last, they devoted themselves to the creation of a perfect world to suit the perfect people they had become. And when they invariably succeeded, they discovered they had naught else to strive for. Without cause for sorrow or frustration, they were bereft of joy. To what end did they linger, undying, in a universe that was destined for oblivion?"

Before various expansions, we didn't have knowledge of time travel, memory altering, swapping, and now we have aether/soul/memory extraction/purification, which is a step toward what other civilizations have achieved before which seems to be a state of infinite existence/resources. Monkey wrenches in terms of what's possible or known get introduced regularly so to say that a solution isn't possible factually is incorrect.