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    Player Battler-Ushiromiya's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Quoting myself from reddit:
    AINT NO WAY YOU JUST POSTED THIS HOLY TOP KEK
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    Gale Eldingar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    She most definitely hits more Mary Sue points than not... Just about the only thing that can't be confirmed (or denied) at the present is whether it's one of the writers OC.
    Newsflash in case you didn't know this, but every single character ever is someone's OC. It's how characters work. They are made up by people.

    What makes a Mary Sue bad isn't being an OC, it's not even being a self-insert, it's that they are not compelling as characters, ruin any attempt at a coherent narrative and their mere presence makes other, better characters worse.

    When everything in a story is about glorifying your lil precious fave Poochie, nothing can exist outside of that. They really are like black holes.
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    Ribald Hagane
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    Wuk Lamat is a bad character. But she is not a Mary Sue.
    People need to stop using "Mary Sue" to define "character I don't like".
    Maybe that's why she's such a bad characters?

    From the way Wuk was presented, I don't think the writer intended her to be a Mary Sue. But they were afraid to give her any real character flaw (like the Scions) that all of her supposed flaw are superflous at best. At the same time she's also cuddle with success after success without facing any real failure. Also, a proper Mary Sue usually serve as an inspiration for other flawed character. I felt Wuk was supposed to be one of those "flawed" character that are inspired by Scions given how the story is set up. But again, the writer obsession ended up reverse that role and Wuk literally inspire everyone else with her "love, understanding and friendship" speech, in another word - she is the Mary Sue.
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    White Mage Lv 91
    I've also seen some really spicy takes from 5ch, the Japanese equivalent of 4chan. I can't post them here cause they would probably get me banned, but safe to say they are not happy either.
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    Isabel Shepard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya View Post
    AINT NO WAY YOU JUST POSTED THIS HOLY TOP KEK
    People agree with his opinion at least.
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    Ryodin Wake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya View Post
    AINT NO WAY YOU JUST POSTED THIS HOLY TOP KEK
    "IMAGINE GOING ON REDDIT LMAO"

    Bro, you're on the Final Fantasy XIV official forums. We're all nerds here. Get over it.
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  7. #57
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    V'ranna Vhexa
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    I wish I hadn't read the "second part of the story get better" promises some people were posting. They probably meant well. But man... Maybe if I didn't get my hopes up, I wouldn't have gotten even more disappointed. Even ignoring Wuk Lamat, I just can't get rid of the feeling that I've already seen this entire story essentially 1 to 1.
    My friend was watching along since he doesn't have a PC to play atm, and he says it feels like with the 2nd half Square ran out of ideas and did a playback of what already worked in previous expacs, just squeezed into 2 cyberpunk/modern themed zones with as much rapidfire walk-and-talk world building as they could fit in to make us feel some kind of attachment before the ending. FWIW overall I liked the 2nd half more and thought the world building was at least pretty interesting, but I can't say that it was a particularly original story. Like a 7/10.
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  8. #58
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    Last Hero
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkCobalt View Post
    My friend was watching along since he doesn't have a PC to play atm, and he says it feels like with the 2nd half Square ran out of ideas and did a playback of what already worked in previous expacs, just squeezed into 2 cyberpunk/modern themed zones with as much rapidfire walk-and-talk world building as they could fit in to make us feel some kind of attachment before the ending. FWIW overall I liked the 2nd half more and thought the world building was at least pretty interesting, but I can't say that it was a particularly original story. Like a 7/10.

    But this is nothing new for SE. There's very little original story here. So much of it is borrowed from previous games it's not even funny - even down to the main baddies being Ascians. We called them Zilart in XI.

    It's a game without an identity beyond being an amalgamation of previous games. Jobs, enemies, hell even our companions. It's like they fed the wiki of every other FF game into an AI chatbot and asked it to generate a 'new' story.

    And as for Mary Sues... that's nothing new, either. Estinien is about as Mary Sue as it gets. Somehow the Mamool Ja in charge just happens to 'know' he's the most worthy fighter ever to step off a ship? Yea, Wuk Lamat certainly isn't the first OR the worst Mary Sue we've seen in this game. I'm not saying she's a great character, but I just see her as another character without a real identity... this whole game is in crisis.
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    Ririta Rita
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    Outside of Sphene being yet another "anime girl becomes Hitler" tired trope and Bakool Jaja acting like a psychopath right from the beginning pretty much everything in DT is enjoyable.

    It seems a lot of people just joined recently and don't know what FFXIV is like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
    It seems a lot of people just joined recently and don't know what FFXIV is like.
    FF14 has been progressively less and less mature and more and more childish. Nothing in DT is like 2.55. Congratulations for outing yourself for joining recently.
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