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  1. #11
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    Wyti's Avatar
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    Wyti Fynnasla
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    They don't understand healing in the game (and healers thereof)
    Proof of that speaking about tank remember the 2 extention in a row where paladin had by far the weakest defensive kit and no self healing because they had a GCD heal in their kit (that they never wanted to press ever)
    Well healers are the same things. Somehow SE seems to think WHM is a strong healer because of Cure III which is indeed a strong GCD heal. Not understanding healers in this game want to use 0 GCD heal, and reaching that point has been a little bit easier every expansion we got
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    I don’t get how they can get tank balance relatively decent but leave healers so screwed. Makes no sense
    They actually play tanks, so when there's an issue, they notice it. It takes complaining from the playerbase for them to notice issues with healers, such as 'why is Aero 2 the same potency as Dia, meaning the 'upgrade' to Dia is 'you get the same thing, but it now costs 200mp more'' or *everything regarding SB WHM*, or more recently it'll be 'why is Macrocosmos not damage neutral, but Toxikon and Pneuma were adjusted so that they still are?'
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    Junhee Hatsuharu
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    The devs quite literally do not understand how to play healers in their own combat design. It's quite embarrassing but not shocking.

    It's been this way for the longest time.

    WHM is being held back on purpose bc they want it to be the easiest possible healer to play. That means it cannot have ANY semblance of thought process, no complicated abilities or too many buttons. The devs think that WHM has to be the entry healer for anyone new to the role.

    Which is super ironic bc of WHM's GCD design, it prepares nothing for the other healers who are vastly superior to WHM in terms of kit design. And unfortunately due to it being the classic healer of the franchise, it will always remain as the most popular. And popularity tells the devs that it needs no changes.
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  4. #14
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
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    devs have become lazy , look at the "new skills" all classes get the same treatment , upgraded spells so no changes, and for healers a dmg CD but chaincuffed to 2min dps boosts (Pom in the case of WHM) , so yeah u can cast glare IV now every 2 min yawn....

    but dps classes get the same thing , a dps skill attached to CDs , or in the case of SMN a reskined baha....
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  5. #15
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    Wyti Fynnasla
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    Quote Originally Posted by elioaiko View Post
    WHM is being held back on purpose bc they want it to be the easiest possible healer to play. That means it cannot have ANY semblance of thought process, no complicated abilities or too many buttons. The devs think that WHM has to be the entry healer for anyone new to the role.
    The sad part is being easy to play don't require much.
    You just need a few very powerfull CDs. The problem is WHM now has very few weak CDs, how is benediction still 3min when you have its AoE version at 3min on other jobs. why does asylum still have 90s CD for a 100potency HoT locked inside a zone while other jobs have stronger hots with less CD and / or not locked to a zone.
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  6. #16
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyti View Post
    The sad part is being easy to play don't require much.
    You just need a few very powerfull CDs. The problem is WHM now has very few weak CDs, how is benediction still 3min when you have its AoE version at 3min on other jobs. why does asylum still have 90s CD for a 100potency HoT locked inside a zone while other jobs have stronger hots with less CD and / or not locked to a zone.
    Because it would be even less fun to buff the healing even more.

    WHM may be the worst healer numbers wise and people say it's plain and boring - but without an overload of off-GCD heals and solutions to every problem it is probably the most fun healer to actually play.
    You even can run out of mana if you play messy.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  7. #17
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    They at least seemed to understand with divine caress that you can’t potency buff rapture WHM’s problems away its problem is mitigation and utility

    They just then messed up again by forcibly tying caress to temperance so you don’t really get more mitigation, you just get a little more power to your mitigation under temperance, which is better than nothing but doesn’t remotely fix WHM’s problems
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    They at least seemed to understand with divine caress that you can’t potency buff rapture WHM’s problems away its problem is mitigation and utility

    They just then messed up again by forcibly tying caress to temperance so you don’t really get more mitigation, you just get a little more power to your mitigation under temperance, which is better than nothing but doesn’t remotely fix WHM’s problems
    And if you ask me the problems should not be fixed. Instead the other healers should get problems as well. What's up with the barrier / pure healer split? Fixing problems will turn us all into WAR, metaphorically speaking.

    It is just as much fun to play out your strenghts as it is to overcome your weakness and win anyway.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  9. #19
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    Silver Strider
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    And if you ask me the problems should not be fixed. Instead the other healers should get problems as well. What's up with the barrier / pure healer split? Fixing problems will turn us all into WAR, metaphorically speaking.

    It is just as much fun to play out your strenghts as it is to overcome your weakness and win anyway.
    That would be fine if WHM had any strengths to leverage but they don't. Their spells cost more for no reason, their MP sustain is generally worse than that of SCH or SGE (not sure about current AST), they have fewer and less powerful oGCDs than the other healers, their mitigation is weaker. What strengths does WHM really have over the other healers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    That would be fine if WHM had any strengths to leverage but they don't. Their spells cost more for no reason, their MP sustain is generally worse than that of SCH or SGE (not sure about current AST), they have fewer and less powerful oGCDs than the other healers, their mitigation is weaker. What strengths does WHM really have over the other healers?
    WHM does in the modern game have the strongest MP economy but that’s really not much to leverage at all

    In every other facet of healing it’s the weakest option
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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