Is there a reason why WHM is the weakest healer in all fields?

[Silver-Strider]

And if you ask me the problems should not be fixed. Instead the other healers should get problems as well. What's up with the barrier / pure healer split? Fixing problems will turn us all into WAR, metaphorically speaking.

It is just as much fun to play out your strenghts as it is to overcome your weakness and win anyway.

That would be fine if WHM had any strengths to leverage but they don't. Their spells cost more for no reason, their MP sustain is generally worse than that of SCH or SGE (not sure about current AST), they have fewer and less powerful oGCDs than the other healers, their mitigation is weaker. What strengths does WHM really have over the other healers?

[Supersnow845]

That would be fine if WHM had any strengths to leverage but they don't. Their spells cost more for no reason, their MP sustain is generally worse than that of SCH or SGE (not sure about current AST), they have fewer and less powerful oGCDs than the other healers, their mitigation is weaker. What strengths does WHM really have over the other healers?

WHM does in the modern game have the strongest MP economy but that’s really not much to leverage at all

In every other facet of healing it’s the weakest option

[CrimsonGunner]

WHM does in the modern game have the strongest MP economy but that’s really not much to leverage at all

In every other facet of healing it’s the weakest option

huh?

even in mp economy it isnt the strongest, not since they changed thin air from shb to ew. in fact id say whm mp management and economy is prob worse then the other healers mp management.

[Connor]

Yoshi-P: “you said you wanted unique class identities, we brought them!
White Mage: the perpetually weak one
Scholar: the ones that’s broken but really sucks to play
Astrologian: the one we keep forgetting is a support and making it White Mage but Stronger (TM)
Sage: The cool-guy dps healer that’s overshadowed by Scholar but is (somewhat) more barely to actually play

This is what you guys wanted, right? Look at those totally unique never before seen new dps abilities they all got!!!”

Source: my dad is SE

[Supersnow845]

Misery is a gain because you put it under raid buffs, if you aren’t using 4 lilys per minute you are losing damage, that is the long and short of it, I don’t know what else to tell you

WHM having more expensive GCD’s (which it’s only more expensive than AST as SCH is equal in cost and SGE in only a fraction cheaper) isn’t really a factor given how rarely GCD’s are used and if they need to be used in a pinch thin air is a larger gain than anything else (except arguably recitation). in a timeline fight where you plan out your MP WHM is strongest because of its lily’s. All healers struggle with recovery as they lack MP unless their resources are coming off CD almost immediately. Whether the other healers use an oGCD or WHM uses a lily isn’t really relevant to the point. I know you are saying “in a recovery situation WHM actually has to cast something the other healers can use oGCD’s” but in that case WHM’s “oGCD” so to speak is a lily, it doesn’t have to cast any more than the others on that front

In pure maths terms WHM has the strongest economy and all healers suck at recovery is basically the long and short of it

[CrimsonGunner]

Misery is a gain because you put it under raid buffs, if you aren’t using 4 lilys per minute you are losing damage, that is the long and short of it, I don’t know what else to tell you

WHM having more expensive GCD’s (which it’s only more expensive than AST as SCH is equal in cost and SGE in only a fraction cheaper) isn’t really a factor given how rarely GCD’s are used and if they need to be used in a pinch thin air is a larger gain than anything else (except arguably recitation). in a timeline fight where you plan out your MP WHM is strongest because of its lily’s. All healers struggle with recovery as they lack MP unless their resources are coming off CD almost immediately. Whether the other healers use an oGCD or WHM uses a lily isn’t really relevant to the point. I know you are saying “in a recovery situation WHM actually has to cast something the other healers can use oGCD’s” but in that case WHM’s “oGCD” so to speak is a lily, it doesn’t have to cast any more than the others on that front

In pure maths terms WHM has the strongest economy and all healers suck at recovery is basically the long and short of it

lets agree to disagree then and that is that.

[flowerkatie]

lets agree to disagree then and that is that.

Just in regards to one point only, Misery is factually a DPS gain so on that point there simply isn't anything to disagree with. In a world where buff windows do not exist, it wouldn't be. But they do, so it is.

[SnowVix]

lets agree to disagree then and that is that.

you can't "agree to disagree" when you're factually incorrect. Glare III is at level 100 330 potency. Afflatus Misery is 1330 potency. 330 * 4 (since each Afflatus Misery is essentially 4 GCDs, 3 lilies + the actual hit) is 1320.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

WHM is in desperate need of an overhaul, but bet your ass they'll rush to fix AST, then look to us and say "well, good enough".

It's just really aggravating when the team then goes on and make these fine detail touch ups on the other jobs to bring them up to their peers in the role while it's fine to let WHM drown.

In the past people said it's because WHM is "simple", but what healer job isn't at this point? We all play literally the same yet somehow the balance is so screwed.

[Warlyx]

give whm reraise (self only) passive trait

Cure I ....cure III ....whats the point? , cure I is useless , cure III is nice aoe healing but we have so many aoe healing options that feels pointless (outside level sync 1-50)

Medica II ( III ) heals the most add Plenary to it
+ rapture
++ assize

+ asylum (aoe regen + 10% healing boost)
+ bell (that is only needed in savage-ulltimate , outside that is overhealing 99% of time , is nice in the attacks that drop everyone to 1hp ...but even then meh)
+ temperance (again is used as mitigation and buffed heal , but like bell is usually overheals)

HEALERS CD's feel pointless in 90% of the content. On content that matters....well its FFXIV , u gonna use CD 1 on X mechanic, CD 2 for Y mechanic , and CD 3 on Z mechanic.


again what we got in this expansion ?

+25 potency on medica III regen (every other heal got an upgrade aoe heal)
+ Glare IV (only usable every 2 min )
+ aoe barrier CD , only usable after temperance (2 min again)

no new skill to speak off....feels like SE was lazy as hell this expansion on skills.