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    Iedarus's Avatar
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 100

    Pleasantly surprised by Vali EX heal checks

    After clearing this Extreme, I will say that the heal checks felt very chaotic and forced me to use my whole kit. I don't know what will happen once the static I found masters the dance, but I wouldn't be surprised if I found myself mashing Broil more as we try to optimize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Nothing's different, then? Sounds about right lol.
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    Hoatu Hotus
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    As soon as everyone geared up, yes, you will.

    A competent pure healer can reverse every mechanic’s damage with a competent shield healer mitigating without breaking their Broil/Glare spam. Heck, if the pure healer is incompetent, the barrier healer can just do it themselves now.

    It’s fun when everyone is 690ilvl, as their HP is so low, damage can be lethal. But by 700ilvl? There’s so much defense, HP, and healing power EX1 (and EX2) are a joke.

    I praised the team at first for a “fun EX” and thinking it was a portent of future design.

    How wrong I was…
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToodlesElNoodles View Post
    As soon as everyone geared up, yes, you will.

    A competent pure healer can reverse every mechanic’s damage with a competent shield healer mitigating without breaking their Broil/Glare spam. Heck, if the pure healer is incompetent, the barrier healer can just do it themselves now.

    It’s fun when everyone is 690ilvl, as their HP is so low, damage can be lethal. But by 700ilvl? There’s so much defense, HP, and healing power EX1 (and EX2) are a joke.

    I praised the team at first for a “fun EX” and thinking it was a portent of future design.

    How wrong I was…
    Oh god yes so so much on the 'shield healer does it themselves'.

    Did EX2 with the static Last week. Was shuffled onto AST bc our other healer player Just needed to have the ugly seraphism angel Cosplay Button.
    And by god did I feel useless. Could even get anything but overhealing off unless shit hit the fan on messy pulls.
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    So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sani2341 View Post
    Oh god yes so so much on the 'shield healer does it themselves'.

    Did EX2 with the static Last week. Was shuffled onto AST bc our other healer player Just needed to have the ugly seraphism angel Cosplay Button.
    And by god did I feel useless. Could even get anything but overhealing off unless shit hit the fan on messy pulls.
    I guess “TBF”: EX2 doesn’t actually have any real healing to do. Like the first phase, the only actual damage is opening Actualize and another Actualize 1.5min later. Vollok/Synch doesn’t do any damage. Blade Warp followed by Yellow Marker and Actualize just use the cooldowns you’ve been sitting on.

    Triumph is all positioning, giving ample to recover your cooldowns. Conga Line only requires mitigation at the beginning, then standard abilities for the rest. A WHM can easily solo heal that section with their abilities. Then the jump gimmick phase has so much downtime between damage, that your abilities come back in time.

    EX2 overall is a bit of snore healwise.

    Edit: I may be a bad healer, but Conga Line (and EX1’s Lightning Feathers) are the only time I use Seraphism coz…extra regen?
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sani2341 View Post
    Oh god yes so so much on the 'shield healer does it themselves'.

    Did EX2 with the static Last week. Was shuffled onto AST bc our other healer player Just needed to have the ugly seraphism angel Cosplay Button.
    And by god did I feel useless. Could even get anything but overhealing off unless shit hit the fan on messy pulls.
    I will admit, Seraphism makes Ex1 puddle stack and proximity aoe an absolute joke. At least the tank swap mechanic feels like it requires a regen healer considering how frequent the heavy damage is. Then again, I never know how much my team is mitigating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Zolmation Volt
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 70
    Even at bis gear currently the trials are still pretty fun and demanding but certain healers certainly take the cake in terms of making it easy. *sage I'm looking at you*
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    Zaytex Zanshin
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I was still never pressured or forced to use GCD healing as a WHM if my party was mitigating well as a whole. Nothing's changed, even if the encounter design still feels better I'm still just mashing glare and weaving in heals or damage neutral GCD heals - I swapped off after like my 5th reclear to play DPS and 40+ kills later I'm still having fun and looking at the shortage of healers in PF and how contentious DPS slots are, everyone else feels the same.
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    Last edited by Zaytex; 07-14-2024 at 12:14 PM.

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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sani2341 View Post
    Oh god yes so so much on the 'shield healer does it themselves'.

    Did EX2 with the static Last week. Was shuffled onto AST bc our other healer player Just needed to have the ugly seraphism angel Cosplay Button.
    And by god did I feel useless. Could even get anything but overhealing off unless shit hit the fan on messy pulls.
    It is insane how overpowered scholar is. It does quite literally everything better than other healers, the only thing it doesn't have is raid buffs. If it did I reckon we would see much more double scholar in harder content.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    It is insane how overpowered scholar is. It does quite literally everything better than other healers, the only thing it doesn't have is raid buffs. If it did I reckon we would see much more double scholar in harder content.
    SCH has the strongest raid buff of the 4 healers

    Chain strategum, ever since they have every job a massive nuke at always direct crits the scaling of chain has been insane
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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