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  1. #401
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    If PCT ends up doing more dps than BLM, something will need to be corrected immediately whether it's nerfing PCT or buffing BLM. It is simply nonsensical to introduce a new caster that does best DPS with a raid buff.

    And it's not Job jealousy, it's just common sense.

    That said, I haven't seen data on rDPS/aDPS yet. Just secondhand mumbling from theorycrafting.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 07-01-2024 at 03:30 PM.

  2. #402
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    Eraden's Avatar
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    Mao Xifeng
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    Adamantoise
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Mao startings to find BLMs becomings more rigid and less funs. Can BLMs who reached 100 tell Mao if BLMs still fun likes was in EW?
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  3. #403
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    Jasnah Kohlin
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    Mao startings to find BLMs becomings more rigid and less funs. Can BLMs who reached 100 tell Mao if BLMs still fun likes was in EW?
    The rigidity becomes worse and even more obvious at 100 when you get Flare Star.

    BLM is dead. Long live BLM.
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  4. #404
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    Kokono Way
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Got to 100 yesterday and finished MSQ, can confirm it feels horrendous. I sincerely hope the developers reconsider the changes.
    At the very least, give us Ice Paradox back, let us carry Flare Star stacks through Umbral Ice, let any GCD regen MP in Umbral Ice.
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  5. #405
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    Willif Ailee
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    Scholar Lv 78
    They have literally gutted the entire flexibility of the class and made it revolve around the new Flare star instead of the other way around. This is a horrible decision since BLM entire kit had really good cohesion and synergy with itself. That's why it was only DPS class I even played it has a satisfaction factor that other ops jobs just don't have. Also I love how it has the most sophisticated job gauge and you get it after your first level up and I'm thinking its because the entire job can't function without it - that's also another unique thing about it.
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  6. #406
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    If PCT ends up doing more dps than BLM
    Pretty sure PCT out damages everything except RPR and maybe SAM. Still waiting on final numbers/funny spreadsheet site update, but this might be the worst .0 balance since ARR.
    (I play Picto, it's bonkers)
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  7. #407
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    Willif Ailee
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyPendragon View Post
    The rigidity becomes worse and even more obvious at 100 when you get Flare Star.

    BLM is dead. Long live BLM.
    oh wow! I thought it would become a little more flexible when I get to 100! but guess not. This is worse than I thought and really sad and horrible. I wonder how Long it will take SE to fix this abomination of a rework they have done. I just have no clue how this even happened! Did they even test this before release? It seems like the one who reworked Summoner got a hold of BLM!
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  8. #408
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    Arilaya Syldove
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    Brynhildr
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Willif View Post
    oh wow! I thought it would become a little more flexible when I get to 100! but guess not. This is worse than I thought and really sad and horrible. I wonder how Long it will take SE to fix this abomination of a rework they have done. I just have no clue how this even happened! Did they even test this before release? It seems like the one who reworked Summoner got a hold of BLM!
    The problem fundamentally comes down to the timers and EW's legacy of being caster-hostile, while DT continues in spades. Not quite 100 yet, but it feels awful having to use 100% of triplecasts for movement and still not having enough.

    The rigidity of the rotation isn't the issue. The issue is encounter design basically giving all casters a giant, roegadyn-sized middle finger. BLM just happens to still be extremely frustrating in this environment because it's still designed like it's a turret caster, so anti-caster mechanics are felt keenly on it. Forcing players to play the way the devs imagine the class being played is essentially proving how broken BLM's design is in modern FFXIV.

    Worse still, PICT doesn't feel that much better, but has substantially more movement given that it has a 1s grace period on GCDs +.5s slidecast opportunity, every 4th GCD is guaranteed instant, and it has a triplecast that is an unconditional DPS gain as well so you don't get screwed for not using it during fire 4 spam, for example.

    Likewise, only needing 5 GCDs in their substantially larger ley lines is a hell of a lot better than the ability to move ley lines once on fights like DT has.

    The end result is this class is getting a rework. They've fixed the broken jank, and realized that the class was broken for more reasons than just being janky.

    But, you know, I want the timers gone. I want BLM to be a turret caster again, when it was at its best, before late-ShB broke it. And the encounter designers want every caster to play like summoner, because they forgot how to make fun encounters that allowed turret casters to exist.

    That's what is killing BLM. A janky, overbloated turret caster forced into a meta where turret casting is despised. It was never going to survive.
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  9. #409
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    Pretty sure PCT out damages everything except RPR and maybe SAM. Still waiting on final numbers/funny spreadsheet site update, but this might be the worst .0 balance since ARR.
    (I play Picto, it's bonkers)
    It seems like every .0 patch that devs have to be reminded that damage is the only reason to play BLM. It does not have party utility or mitigation worth considering compared to other jobs, so being a selfish dps is literally all it is. BLM was buffed during EW, if I am not mistaken, which put it more along the lines of SAM aDPS. If PCT is doing more aDPS than BLM that just doesn't make any sense.

    And I especially expect it given all the other changes that need to be tolerated with the rotation rework no one asked for.

    Between the new expansion quality and the state of jobs, I'm not sure if this game has a budget problem or what the deal is. It seems like several aspects of the game are on auto pilot for a major new launch. It isn't just BLM that is scuffed, and many others have been long since wrecked with no feedback acknowledged.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 07-02-2024 at 11:21 AM.

  10. #410
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    Mao Xifeng
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    Adamantoise
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    It seems like every .0 patch that devs have to be reminded that damage is the only reason to play BLM. It does not have party utility or mitigation worth considering compared to other jobs, so being a selfish dps is literally all it is. BLM was buffed during EW, if I am not mistaken, which put it more along the lines of SAM aDPS. If PCT is doing more aDPS than BLM that just doesn't make any sense.

    And I especially expect it given all the other changes that need to be tolerated with the rotation rework no one asked for.

    Between the new expansion quality and the state of jobs, I'm not sure if this game has a budget problem or what the deal is. It seems like several aspects of the game are on auto pilot for a major new launch. It isn't just BLM that is scuffed, and many others have been long since wrecked with no feedback acknowledged.
    Is possibles that this just cynical move on part of SE to get more moneys? "Come play DT and become Pictomancer! Can be best DPS character evers (until next flavor comes with next expansion)".
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