Here's why I will not support this healer strike.

[sindriiisgaming]

Can I like pay people to have a consistent argument

Are we casuals who don’t understand harder content or are we elite raiders who hate the casuals

All these people who are so “omg yall so toxic” never seem to acknowledge that we get this same both side vitriol thrown against us. Your comment right here you’ve both said we are too casual and we aren’t casual enough

Like please be at least somewhat consistent

It's plenty consistent lol. You're just not happy somebody doesn't think exactly like all of you do. Most of you haven't done any hard content (I checked your achievements on lodestone) yet go off on healing like it's soooo easy.

I dint know at what point I ever insinuated you were toxic eliete raiders lol. Feel free to quote that

[TheDustyOne]

Most of you haven't done any hard content (I checked your achievements on lodestone) yet go off on healing like it's soooo easy.

I dint know at what point I ever insinuated you were toxic eliete raiders lol. Feel free to quote that

Snow uses an alt precisely because of attitudes like this. I've also done some Savage and Ex back in ShB and decided not to do any in EW because it was going to be more of the same.

Actually fight against his argument rather than (ironically) acting elitist because he "hasn't done" content that he's actually done.

[sindriiisgaming]

I'm not interesting in debating him lol
This is long past the point of it. The strike has and will amount to little more than an embarrassing hiccup in ffxivs history. We've had similar. Like when darks raged in hw.

[Supersnow845]

It's plenty consistent lol. You're just not happy somebody doesn't think exactly like all of you do. Most of you haven't done any hard content (I checked your achievements on lodestone) yet go off on healing like it's soooo easy.

I dint know at what point I ever insinuated you were toxic eliete raiders lol. Feel free to quote that

You checked my achievements on loadstone, hmmm yes well so you know this isn’t my raiding main, want me to link my main logs sweetie I do plenty of hard content. Regardless why should you disqualify me for your perceived belief I don’t do enough hard content, there is plenty of anti strikers who don’t do hard content but you won’t call them out. If I need to do hard content to say healers are bad why don’t they need to do hard content to say healers are good. You are both saying we are too good and not good enough. There is no consistency. Engage with the actual substance of our arguments not decide whether we are “allowed to have an opinion” based on your assessment of you belief in our skills.

This is the whole problem, I’ve had people log stalk me and call me a casual who needs to do hard content to understand healers, then when I linked my real logs they said I was obviously too good at the game to have an opinion. At no time did they actually engage with the substance of my arguments

So I say again, pick a damn lane, call me a casual, call me a toxic raider I don’t care just engage with the substance of my arguments or quit randomly deciding that an entire group fits your narrow views so you can ignore them

You're not wrong. While people do say they like to try new things, it's been proven that the majority will still jump on something that has familiar elements more quickly than something that is vastly different. The hard part is finding a balance between expanding on a familiar concept and adding enough to distinguish it apart.

Without Yoshi P at the helm, FF14 would be in trouble because SE has many issues that have lead it into near financial ruin multiple times. We're just in a position where we have a team of devs that do care and while they may not immediately please everyone. they don't deserve the same treatment as many others in the industry who clearly don't care about their player base.

Any one person who believes they can do a better job should take a moment to realize that if they became a dev they would immediately incite the wrath of people just like them for things they themselves may of not been a part of. But this mob mentality doesn't care about that and it doesn't discriminate between who's at fault and who isn't. It's just become, if you're a dev we're entitled to treat you horribly.

There are many nuances to it which is why anyone who wants a positive outcome should be leading by example. Not dehumanizing them simply to justify their own toxic and entitled attitude. We're better than that.

You are totally missing the point, we aren’t saying “we are better than the stupid devs listen to us” we are saying “we have given you mounds of feedback as to our belief in why the healers aren’t engaging enough and have some evidence via lucky’s censuses that the healer role is haemorrhaging players can you please explain your design decisions more clearly and explain why you won’t acknowledge our feedback rather than making dismissive comments like “go play ultimate””

[sindriiisgaming]

You checked my achievements on loadstone, hmmm yes well so you know this isn’t my raiding main, want me to link my main logs sweetie I do plenty of hard content. Regardless why should you disqualify me for your perceived belief I don’t do enough hard content, there is plenty of anti strikers who don’t do hard content but you won’t call them out. If I need to do hard content to say healers are bad why don’t they need to do hard content to say healers are good. You are both saying we are too good and not good enough. There is no consistency. Engage with the actual substance of our arguments not decide whether we are “allowed to have an opinion” based on your assessment of you belief in our skills.

This is the whole problem, I’ve had people log stalk me and call me a casual who needs to do hard content to understand healers, then when I linked my real logs they said I was obviously too good at the game to have an opinion. At no time did they actually engage with the substance of my arguments

So I say again, pick a damn lane, call me a casual, call me a toxic raider I don’t care just engage with the substance of my arguments or quit randomly deciding that an entire group fits your narrow views so you can ignore them

Better to just call it like it is. Embarrassing
Like your taking this whole 2 lines I said onto entirely yourself. When I and 9999,% of the human race don't know who you are. I didn't ONLY check your lodestone. I checked most of them
So chil out lmao

[TheDustyOne]

Better to just call it like it is. Embarrassing
Like your taking this whole 2 lines I said onto entirely yourself. When I and 9999,% of the human race don't know who you are. I didn't ONLY check your lodestone. I checked most of them
So chil out lmao

Then I do have to ask; why do you bother sticking around the threads relating to it?

If you sincerely thought it was pointless, why bother going through peoples achievements to belittle them? And then have the gall to accuse them of toxicity when you're going around stalking their achievements for "credentials"?

You say it's "long past it's point" while still giving attention to it, I think you're a hypocrite who only wants to belittle, which I find far more embarrassing.

[sindriiisgaming]

Then I do have to ask; why do you bother sticking around the threads relating to it?

If you sincerely thought it was pointless, why bother going through peoples achievements to belittle them? And then have the gall to accuse them of toxicity when you're going around stalking their achievements for "credentials"?

You say it's "long past it's point" while still giving attention to it, I think you're a hypocrite who only wants to belittle, which I find far more embarrassing.

Firstly. I haven't belittled anybody. I simply pointed out many of you lacked the real field experience nesscery to judge the jobs.

Secondly. Hide your achievements if you don't like people looking at them.

Finally. Why am I here? Because I felt like I had something to contribute to this specific thread.

[TheDustyOne]

Firstly. I haven't belittled anybody. I simply pointed out many of you lacked the real field experience nesscery to judge the jobs.

And many in fact do have it, so actually engage with the conversation; simply going "well I don't think you meet my personal standard for necessary experience" is belittling, whether you intend it or not. You're telling someone their experiences are meaningless to you when all they want is to have some fun as well.

[sindriiisgaming]

And many in fact do have it, so actually engage with the conversation; simply going "well I don't think you meet my personal standard for necessary experience" is belittling, whether you intend it or not. You're telling someone their experiences are meaningless to you when all they want is to have some fun as well.

Not really. There's a significant difference between. :you don't have enough experience:, and " all of your current achievements are meaningless" I would hope that much was already obvious. I think you are confusing how you "feel" for what was genuinely said. But I suppose I made you feel that way. So I apologise

[Sunhwapark]

I simply pointed out many of you lacked the real field experience nesscery to judge the jobs.

Wasn't this you ?

When we raid in pf... the pf is usually So toxic.. that we can't actually clear anything without being told in some colourful way to uninstall the game...

Sounds like you're lacking in field experience yourself.


Anyway, back on topic - I'm not a striker myself but I don't disagree with the points that they have made in their thread.
A lot of the early posters in the thread are healing subforum regulars over the past few years, so it's not like their concerns have been purely pulled out of thin air, especially considering they have linked to two very large healer related threads that address where their concerns are rooted.