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  1. #81
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    People complain about War because it's the best solution to every tank problem, and you guys (yes, YOU included) cry any time another tank finds a niche.
    Being the strongest tank 3 patches in a row isn't really an interesting or good niche.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    But they didnt do anything that actually helped WAR in that situation, they buffed fell cleave.
    I'm not saying that WAR needed help with Abyssos mechanics, I'm saying that Abyssos mechanics show that WAR's mitigation/healing/invuln is actually balanced when the devs don't just put the simplest tank mechanics into a fight and call it a day.


    Quote Originally Posted by Metricasc View Post
    holmgang being a 4 mins cooldown allows the WAR to get extra uses of their invuln compared to the other 3 tanks overall. take DSR for example, a 16-20 min fight (in a scenario of a 3-3-2 towers and cauterize invulns):
    And yet people still chose DRK and GNB over WAR in DSR. I guess extra uses of Holmgang don't actually make much of a difference there, because anything that you can invuln in this game can be easily mitigated.
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  2. #82
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Anyone else miss when Shake it Off was just an AOE Esuna?
    I kinda do.
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    http://king.canadane.com

  3. #83
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    I'm not saying that WAR needed help with Abyssos mechanics, I'm saying that Abyssos mechanics show that WAR's mitigation/healing/invuln is actually balanced when the devs don't just put the simplest tank mechanics into a fight and call it a day.
    My take away from Abyssos was more of "why don't they just nerf holmgang rather than design an entire tier around it"

    And the tier was basically designed to be Anti-WAR after WAR was extremely unbalanced in Asphodelos, allowing for on content solo tanking due to holmgang and kitchen sinking of P1 and P2. So yeah I guess if they keep designing the entire game to be anti-war then WAR is balanced.
    but a sane dev team would just you know, nerf holmgang.
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  4. #84
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    Tunda's Avatar
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    My take away from Abyssos was more of "why don't they just nerf holmgang rather than design an entire tier around it"

    And the tier was basically designed to be Anti-WAR after WAR was extremely unbalanced in Asphodelos, allowing for on content solo tanking due to holmgang and kitchen sinking of P1 and P2. So yeah I guess if they keep designing the entire game to be anti-war then WAR is balanced.
    but a sane dev team would just you know, nerf holmgang.
    tanks are beyond salvation.. either we have to rework tanks or rework healers
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  5. #85
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    The_User's Avatar
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    Character
    The Tank
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    Gungnir
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 63
    Or rework the designer team
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  6. #86
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    Character
    Gunz Mcbeetz
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    The point is to enjoy the unique experiences of each different class.
    Warrior wasn't able to do end game content in the beginning. It was the worst class ever and all my friends were like "no stay warrior, it's the most rare class on the server!" This was ages ago obviously.
    So maybe it's a little harder to clear content on another class, but at the very least you 'can' clear it these days. In my book, that's a win, to not have content locked out to certain classes.
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  7. #87
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    Nox Bloodthorn
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I completely stopped playing WAR in EW it never was my favorite thank before but I enjoy the job it was thriling before but the over healing really killed it for me I don't know how to really explain it but basically now WAR feel empty you pratically can't die in normal content and if you healer die solo the whole thing. I will be honest when I tank I love to prepare myself to get destroyed that why I love DRK with DRK you are not allowed to make mistake even in simple content the trhill of tanking is seeying your Health go down and trying your best to save time for your healers to get you but with WAR you don't have that and thats what kiled the job for me I used to love it in Shadowbringer

    I even did a solo lv86 rank A hunt in Elpis with WAR I wanted the Nuts and well I do not enjoy the company of others so I decided it for once I will take WAR took me like 10min to kill but i never feared for my life during the fight

    (Fun fact after it died literally 10sec after there was a Hunt train that arrived and decided to school me because I snipe their target. I didn't know it was a thing but holy s that was funny)
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  8. #88
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    Derio Uzumaki
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I hate playing WAR. Its braindead easy but now literally has everything you could want in a tank. I am actually happy for WAR mains. Because it seems like the devs are listening to them giving them just about everything they want. PLD mains still over here waiting on cover changes and button bloat fixes. GNBs finally getting some recognition in terms of their concerns. And devs pretty much forgot DRK exists.

    If you look at WAR and what it has. There is a reason why it is the top selling job booster on the mogstation.

    Party healing
    Self healing
    Self shielding
    Party shielding
    Lowest cooldown on invuln
    2nd highest damage
    Easiest rotation
    (5)

  9. #89
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    Character
    Keldion Duskwander
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    What is the point of playing tank other than warrior?
    Simple + mitigation + max hp raised + straight up healing + life steal


    I would like to know other people opinion
    As a DRK main:
    Aesthetics
    Burst damage in dungeons
    Letting healers feel appreciated
    Personal gratification from playing a slightly harder tank
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  10. #90
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    Character
    Zaytex Zanshin
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    To have fun? lol

    play what you enjoy dude, balance doesn't matter till high end
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