Privacy from third party sites

[Ramiee]

Eh, tomestone is made by Savage+ raiders for Savage+ raiders. It's a self contained bubble more or less.

Still should be opt-in.
No reason for it to be opt-out.

[Ramiee]

hiding parses means that your parses are very bad ?

My parse monkey phase was back when I was 14, I'm done with that I just care about clearing. I don't even have ACT to see damage meters, so idk what my parses are could be grey or orange idc.
This is purely for people who prioritise having privacy from something they don't consent to because some people still value that.

[Kaurhz]

I've always found it weird how these websites are automatically opt-in. At least they could've used "anonymous" to hide people who haven't willingly added their character to the website?

This is how it should be. I know I went on a small rant yesterday about it (how opt-out isn't really an ideal thing to do in this design), but ideally the whole process should be an opt-in rather than an opt-out, just because there is a stigma in some spheres, and even in general where if you're opting-out of something that is public information (by design, albeit poor design), then it typically only leaves some people to speculate or assume you "Have something to hide".

At least, I personally think that the system being an opt-in by default would reduce this. I did mull on it yesterday a little and it isn't really great that opt-out is the design when there's API support for extracting data.

[aiqa]

This is how it should be. I know I went on a small rant yesterday about it (how opt-out isn't really an ideal thing to do in this design), but ideally the whole process should be an opt-in rather than an opt-out, just because there is a stigma in some spheres, and even in general where if you're opting-out of something that is public information (by design, albeit poor design), then it typically only leaves some people to speculate or assume you "Have something to hide".

At least, I personally think that the system being an opt-in by default would reduce this. I did mull on it yesterday a little and it isn't really great that opt-out is the design when there's API support for extracting data.

Since there isn't a good reasons for the data collection, opt-out is also against EU law. GPDR sets requirements for processing personal data. FFlogs and tomestone are most likely to small to ever get into problems with that, but it's still not a great look.

[CaedemSanguis]

If you are checking logs you are kind of a psycho stalker. I dont blame people for hiding it from people like you. Let people do the fight and then if they are obviously not doing well kick em? But to look at everything someone does ingame just because they joined your party is creepy.

Well im doing week 1 prog

You need to know how to dps

Im only checking logs when someone is applying in my static

[CaedemSanguis]

This is absolutely false and very silly of you to post. Seems like you're confusing the game with your lil bubble.

Why would someone check your parses if your not joining their pf/static ? x)

You guys are paranoid x)

[Evergrey]

If you are checking logs you are kind of a psycho stalker. I dont blame people for hiding it from people like you. Let people do the fight and then if they are obviously not doing well kick em? But to look at everything someone does ingame just because they joined your party is creepy.

Used correctly, looking over a groups logs can be a tool of improvement.
It can show if someone's struggling in a particular part and from there try and improve on that.

Sadly it can, as most know, be used in the wrong way as well.

[aiqa]

Why would someone check your parses if your not joining their pf/static ? x)

You guys are paranoid x)

Well, to give you a recent example. To create a list of people supporting the healer strike, and to show exactly how "casual" those are. In an attempt to shame them into silence.

[Minali]

Since there isn't a good reasons for the data collection, opt-out is also against EU law. GPDR sets requirements for processing personal data. FFlogs and tomestone are most likely to small to ever get into problems with that, but it's still not a great look.

Indeed. I doubt any court would bother with a small fan project for an online game, at least not as long as irl home addresses or actual phone numbers etc. stay out of it at least. However, these laws exist for good reason and it wouldn't hurt if programmers would take a minute to consider these reasons, and if they really want to do a thing that would be straight up illegal if they'd be a huge media company and not just a small group of passionable volunteers. Not because of possible legal repercussions, just because maybe all these politicians and privacy advocates who created these laws in a lengthy process were on to something good.

[CaedemSanguis]

I hid my profile on fflogs ages ago because it's private information only meant for the other 3, 7 or 23 people in the party I am in, and because I don't want to be associated with a third party tool like that. But of course you are free to assume whatever you want if your absurd obsession with other strangers' perfomance demands it. Should I ever get into hardcore content and people would want to know how I play, they're welcome to run a duty with me and parse that, consentual n stuff. (This would also be a much more accurate representative info, considering my current stats are from me running duly roulettes sleep deprived at 1 am and such...)

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Thanks for the info! Today I learned about that code from tomestone, didn't know it was available for fflogs as well. This would have saved me the effort of making an account and adding all my characters specifically for opting out of that... They really should add this to their FAQs, or make it more obvious there. When I looked up how to opt out, this wasn't mentioned anywhere. Question will be how this is going to work out when you hide your lodestone profile completely, but from what I know the tomestone people are going to respect that (once they figure out the technical ways to do it). I hope the other site will do that as well.

Maybe it's me being from Europe, where privacy is considered an important thing by law (see GDPR), but it always baffles me how little people think about privacy when developing tools like this. It doesn't matter if "you have anything to hide", it's personal data and simply nobody else's business unless you personally decide otherwise. You don't leave your appartment door wide open either when you feel you "have nothing to hide", just because you are not doing anything obviously illegal in there. No, you close it, because what you are doing isn't anybody else's concern.

Well, if you are applying in my static, we need to know your logs history so we can see how you managed past content (clear time)