/r/ffxivdiscussion: If you want WoW-style design, you're going to have to accept-

[WeebPolice]

#6: WoW's turbo-addon support.

You can't compare the two. While it's an open secret people use addons, nothing in the 14 community is as prevalent as Deadly Boss Mods or Weakauras in terms of helping you play the game. This has further warped the scene and a lot of fights are designed around automatically having these tools. Yoshi P has committed that he wants content to be clearable without major addon support...which would likely be at odds if you borrow heavily of WoW designs to 14.

I see this as being one of the major issues, citizen. One game heavily relies on add-ons and the other game outlaws their use. I can say with certainty that Square will not budge on their position concerning add-ons.




Forge's glow watch over you.

[Kes13a]

I see this as being one of the major issues, citizen. One game heavily relies on add-ons and the other game outlaws their use. I can say with certainty that Square will not budge on their position concerning add-ons.

not just that, when the game updates, in WoW you are basically on hold until the mod authors update, which means half of your REQUIRED UI is non functional. I prefer FFXIV not needing mods simply because, you can always play without one arm being held hostage by slow to update required mods.

[Swordsman]

I see this as being one of the major issues, citizen. One game heavily relies on add-ons and the other game outlaws their use. I can say with certainty that Square will not budge on their position concerning add-ons.




Forge's glow watch over you.

Oh yeah, we'll never hear the end of it when it comes to the debate on addons/mods etc. I've heard that the current iteration of wow practically designs its boss encounters around the likelihood that the player will use an addon such as Deadly Boss Mods, so wow devs will intentionally make certain boss mechanics difficult to notice and they'll bank on DBM making up for the lack of visual and audio cues.

[WeebPolice]

Oh yeah, we'll never hear the end of it when it comes to the debate on addons/mods etc. I've heard that the current iteration of wow practically designs its boss encounters around the likelihood that the player will use an addon such as Deadly Boss Mods, so wow devs will intentionally make certain boss mechanics difficult to notice and they'll bank on DBM making up for the lack of visual and audio cues.

The negatives of having an add-on that's too useful for its own good, citizen. It's a very well made tool, however some players will complain that it nearly plays the game for you.




Do not fear the shadows.

[Swordsman]

The negatives of having an add-on that's too useful for its own good, citizen. It's a very well made tool, however some players will complain that it nearly plays the game for you.




Do not fear the shadows.

I can sort of understand the whole "nearly plays the game for you" point. Yeah the addon doesn't actually control your character for you, but the fact that its pretty much telling you what to do at each and every step of the boss fight seems a bit unfair to me. Like are you actually playing and figuring out the game for yourself or are you just doing what this addon told you to do? It's a bit of a grey area for me. But yes, DBM is a fantastic raiding addon, and when I played wow until I quit in Mists of Pandaria, we were required by our raid leader to show up to every raid with DBM installed and ready to go. The addon literally tells you everything about the boss encounter and it accomplishes that with very noticeable visual/audio cues like bright flashing lights and icons, and loud horns and sirens lmao.

[WeebPolice]

I can sort of understand the whole "nearly plays the game for you" point. Yeah the addon doesn't actually control your character for you, but the fact that its pretty much telling you what to do at each and every step of the boss fight seems a bit unfair to me. Like are you actually playing and figuring out the game for yourself or are you just doing what this addon told you to do? It's a bit of a grey area for me. But yes, DBM is a fantastic raiding addon, and when I played wow until I quit in Mists of Pandaria, we were required by our raid leader to show up to every raid with DBM installed and ready to go. The addon literally tells you everything about the boss encounter and it accomplishes that with very noticeable visual/audio cues like bright flashing lights and icons, and loud horns and sirens lmao.

Ah, yes, citizen. The air horn from DBM on Yogg-Saron continues to haunt me to this day. We lost many Weeaboo Police Troopers to this unforgiving and destructive boss in the world of Azeroth.




We serve so others do not have to.

[Swordsman]

Ah, yes, citizen. The air horn from DBM on Yogg-Saron continues to haunt me to this day. We lost many Weeaboo Police Troopers to this unforgiving and destructive boss in the world of Azeroth.

My condolences. I hope their sacrifices were not in vain and the department obtained many pieces of loot as compensation.

Can we stop using any comparison to WoW as a shield against criticism to FFXIV?

When someone says healing is more fun is in WoW you don't need to pull out a list of whataboutisms as to why FFXIV should never change anything ever.

I'm gonna add this to the original post because of how true this comment is. The reason why the whataboutisms as to why FFXIV should never change anything ever suddenly come out is because some highly invested FFXIV players become unreasonably defensive at the idea that something in the game can be improved.

Why is it that people always go from one extreme to another when we're comparing WoW to FF?
We don't NEED a 20% dps difference or anything. We just want jobs to play differently, and have minor advantages and disadvantages over others.
So you have a reason to actually level more than 1 job.

Its a method of debasing an argument. If an opponent can make an argument appear irrational then they'll have an easier time dismissing that argument.

[WeebPolice]

The reason why the whataboutisms as to why FFXIV should never change anything ever suddenly come out is because some highly invested FFXIV players become unreasonably defensive at the idea that something in the game can be improved.

I want to say in addition to your reason, the average FF forum user probably doesn't even know what a whataboutism is, and they most likely don't understand that a whataboutism can't be used in an argument because it's a logical fallacy.




Remember the lessons of the past.