Bazaars are for transactions, not -bleep- storage!

[Impulse]

Except it's not. Sure, it might be an "attention getting" topic title. It's an suggestion born from a frustrating experience but sure, whatever moronic people who haven't come to post AWW LOOK AT THE QQ! yet. I'm sure there's a few more of you left.

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. Nobody forced you to read the suggestion or agree with it.

Congrats guys, you just figured out the whole problem with the bazaar system. Nobody uses it for what it's designed for because people found some other uses for it (including some that are arguably cheating). The whole point of this thread is to find a way to restore the bazaar's original function. It's beyond me how so many trolls can come in here and find it to be such a horrible idea to make something work the way it was originally desgined to work.

This is very obviously an exploit and they probably will prevent it in the future. Though instead of being jerks about it, they could just increase the points awarded fort hose items.

You can blame the launch and general structure of bazaars for the sorry state that the system is in and why it has (to my knowledge) stayed that way, and probably will stay until 2.0. Here's a little story for you!

Back in the first few weeks before it became the norm to stuff extra items in your bazaar, I found a pretty damn cheap mid-R20 range polearm that I could use in the near future. Naturally, I wanted to buy it before somebody else did.

Great! It was used properly back then. Guess what happened next? I got to chase the person down for about 2 minutes before I finally sent the player a tell politely asking them to stop so that I could actually purchase the weapon. Not sure if it's still the same way now since there is very little reason to check, but your character is frozen in place while the bazaar window is up.

Combine that with the lack of notification for your bazaar being examined by X player as well as the fact that you need to be within trading range to actually buy something, you have a clunky, highly user-unfriendly system which is a hassle to even think about utilizing.

Sorry to say, but we're playing in 1.X's limitations and I really don't see the bazaar system as a high priority fix before the relaunch. Maybe in 2.0 when they revamp everything we'll see something of an improvement.

[Alhanelem]

A sensible post, for once. I understand what you're saying- though the main appeal of bazaar selling is to sell related items to a particular location- for example, selling ammo and consumables near the entrance of a popular camping spot or raid. This is what I liked most about the system. Think back to XI, especially the early days. There were almost always bazaars in Selbina or by the zone in the dunes to sell people food and stuff. This was where the brilliance of the feature really shined. They carry the same system over to XIV, but once the market wards became functional, people forgot about this (even though the auction house didn't have the same effect in FFXI)

[NoctisUmbra]

Except it's not. Sure, it might be an "attention getting" topic title. It's an suggestion born from a frustrating experience but sure, whatever moronic people who haven't come to post AWW LOOK AT THE QQ! yet. I'm sure there's a few more of you left.

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. Nobody forced you to read the suggestion or agree with it.

Congrats guys, you just figured out the whole problem with the bazaar system. Nobody uses it for what it's designed for because people found some other uses for it (including some that are arguably cheating). The whole point of this thread is to find a way to restore the bazaar's original function. It's beyond me how so many trolls can come in here and find it to be such a horrible idea to make something work the way it was originally desgined to work.

This is very obviously an exploit and they probably will prevent it in the future. Though instead of being jerks about it, they could just increase the points awarded fort hose items.

I don't care what they do to the bazaar system, short of making it some ridiculously gimmicky thing for nothing, the Market Wards will still outright beat it. So quit grieving over nothing.

Now, you can continue to push your idea of an exploit and w/e morals you find are being tarnished via this use of it all you want, but short of being an eyesore to someone like you it has no tangible negative effect on anybody.

[Rokien]

I don't care what they do to the bazaar system, short of making it some ridiculously gimmicky thing for nothing, the Market Wards will still outright beat it. So quit grieving over nothing.

Now, you can continue to push your idea of an exploit and w/e morals you find are being tarnished via this use of it all you want, but short of being an eyesore to someone like you it has no tangible negative effect on anybody.

I sell things in my bazzar all the time, if everyone was like "use bazaar is storage" People wouldn't look in em anymore, there for I wouldn't sell things.

So yes, it does effect everyone.

[YuriSan]

I'm really tired of checking people and finding a pile of items being listed for 999,999,999 gil.

I have stopped checking people's bazaar since Jan. of 1987

[NoctisUmbra]

I sell things in my bazzar all the time, if everyone was like "use bazaar is storage" People wouldn't look in em anymore, there for I wouldn't sell things.

So yes, it does effect everyone.

Dense Rokien is dense again.

The Market Wards is better in every way. It gets more traffic as a plus for the seller, and has more competitive prices as a plus for the buyer. It's also in a single spot accessible by everyone. There's no reason to actually use a bazaar to sell anything. If everyone decided to put shit up for sale on their bazaars only - and most people don't even fill their entire bazaar with storage - the market wards would still be preferred. This is why people stopped using their personal bazaars.

So other than to play devil's advocate here on the forums, or to just try and sell shit that way for w.e personal reasons you may have, there's no reason for you to reduce your ability to sell efficiently by using a personal bazaar over the market wards.

[Impulse]

A sensible post, for once. I understand what you're saying- though the main appeal of bazaar selling is to sell related items to a particular location- for example, selling ammo and consumables near the entrance of a popular camping spot or raid. This is what I liked most about the system. Think back to XI, especially the early days. There were almost always bazaars in Selbina or by the zone in the dunes to sell people food and stuff. This was where the brilliance of the feature really shined. They carry the same system over to XIV, but once the market wards became functional, people forgot about this (even though the auction house didn't have the same effect in FFXI)

I get that and loved using/checking bazaars alongside the AH back on XI. There were just some items that you weren't allowed to put on the AH that you could pawn off or purchase in a bazaar (Aketons, Signet staves, Beastman caps, etc.)

There are some key differences between this and XI's bazaar systems though, and by differences I mean things that were left behind which (in my opinion, at least) make the current 1.X bazaar system borderline unusable.

XI:

• Players got a notification both in the chat log (unless filtered) and a little bag above the HP/MP plate when being browsed. People tended to stop moving when this happened unless they were being chased by Goblins or something.
  
• Players examining bazaars could continue to move freely and make purchases from a decent distance away.
  
• Say someone was shouting in Jeuno that they had X item for sale in their bazaar at <pos>. Even if they didn't load up on screen, you could type in /c *name here* and still view their bazaar as long as you were in their general vicinity.
  
• Some items could not be sold on the AH but could be sold in bazaars or traded in person
  
• Bazaar'd items did not free up normal inventory space.

Now, in XIV we have...

• No notification whatsoever, let it be text based or visually cued by an icon.
  
• Players checking bazaars are frozen in place, and due to the lack of a notification for being examined, the other party will continue to run around as they see fit and run out of trading range
  
• The inability to check the bazaar of a character who is not loaded up on your screen. You're forced to wait until the client happens to load up the person who was shouting about selling X item in their bazaar
  
• Bazaar'd items are removed from the basic inventory, which is a nice gimmick for those of us who could use the extra space, but is the bane of the system as a whole.

Again, I loved the system in XI and hope that it's improved come 2.0. Though the way things are now, my bag and retainers are full with gear for the classes I actively play, the AF for the corresponding jobs, event items (thank the twelve for the armoire next patch), and stacks of low-mid level mats from gathering for personal use/giving to LS mates who are starting up on DoH.
Frankly, I just need that extra 10 slots and will use the currently abysmal bazaar system as a means to get that extra bit of space until it is fixed.

[Funky]

Adding 10 more slots wont help.

Adding a house with XXX storage spaces (storage furnitures like FFXI) most likely would solve it for some time.
Either way, storage will always be a "problem" depeing on your "Hoarding".

[Rokien]

Dense Rokien is dense again.

The Market Wards is better in every way. It gets more traffic as a plus for the seller, and has more competitive prices as a plus for the buyer. It's also in a single spot accessible by everyone. There's no reason to actually use a bazaar to sell anything. If everyone decided to put shit up for sale on their bazaars only - and most people don't even fill their entire bazaar with storage - the market wards would still be preferred. This is why people stopped using their personal bazaars.

So other than to play devil's advocate here on the forums, or to just try and sell shit that way for w.e personal reasons you may have, there's no reason for you to reduce your ability to sell efficiently by using a personal bazaar over the market wards.

Ya it is better, but doesn't change the fact I have made a few mil just from my bazaar in a few nights.

So what way am I dense?

[ChickNorris]

Okay, I am intrigued, how is the bazaar used in a way that is arguably cheating?

It is not the suggestion that is making people call it a QQ thread. It is the presentation. The hysterics and aggressive phrasing is also causing some of the responses.

In reality, there is nothing to it that needs to be defended on your side or convinced of by others. It is a simple preference issue.