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  1. 06-18-2024 08:12 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    You’re kind of highlighting the comment right above you. The better you’re at sage, the less you have to shield the tank, the less you get to use toxicons.
    Toxicon does more DPS than Dyskrasia. Phlegma does more damage too. I'd be happier if it was long-range like Toxicon. If all you're doing is spamming Dyskrasia, that's boring! It's the same as Holy and Gravity spam in the end. My style uses frequent shielding to feed Toxicon to maximize damage. While spamming might be more effective at the end of the day, it's certainly less enjoyable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    Toxicon does more DPS than Dyskrasia. Phlegma does more damage too. I'd be happier if it was long-range like Toxicon. If all you're doing is spamming Dyskrasia, that's boring! It's the same as Holy and Gravity spam in the end. My style uses frequent shielding to feed Toxicon to maximize damage. While spamming might be more effective at the end of the day, it's certainly less enjoyable.
    Now imagine if they designed the game in a way where effective play and enjoyable play were the same thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Now imagine if they designed the game in a way where effective play and enjoyable play were the same thing...
    Only elites have to focus exclusively on effectiveness versus truly enjoying oneself while playing. I think people ruin the game themselves by over-professionalizing the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    Only elites have to focus exclusively on effectiveness versus truly enjoying oneself while playing. I think people ruin the game themselves by over-professionalizing the game.
    Well then the devs need to quit "professionalizing" other jobs that aren't ruining the game. I already named some. You don't care. I see you've stopped the saint act and revealed your true face-- it's all about flippant enjoyment now and f anyone else.

    Ans that's all I set out to prove really. Now your empathy rant rings hollow.

    Contrary to your belief, my criticism of WAR has nothing to do with what I want. It has to do with game balance. My support of strike, as a BLM main, is for the same reason. When the game is restored to balance in these ways, many may not realize, but they are steps to making the game actually fun for more than WAR mains. It's so people of all roles feel a part of the group and are having fun, not just one person and people like you with blinders on to everyone around you.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-18-2024 at 08:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Well then the devs need to quit "professionalizing" other jobs that aren't ruining the game. I already named some. You don't care. I see you've stopped the saint act and revealed your true face-- it's all about flippant enjoyment now and f anyone else.

    Ans that's all I set out to prove really. Now your empathy rant rings hollow.
    Sounds like you're hating more on the devs than anything else. I don't see where you got this "you don't care" junk. If you saw me as a saint, that's your problem, not mine. I post what I believe in with my whole heart, whether you recognize that or not. It's also not your job to decide whether my wishes and desires are 'flippant' or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    Only elites have to focus exclusively on effectiveness versus truly enjoying oneself while playing. I think people ruin the game themselves by over-professionalizing the game.
    yet the game makers seem to think the only content that ever should matter, or should require some effort or thinking is savage content or ultimate's. I enjoy playing what i enjoy, when i get on diablo 2 i can play w/e i want it doesnt matter if ww is the best for ubbers/fighting I can play a frogger if I choice to, doesnt matter if bone spirit is one of the best moves on necromancer poison is still great.


    My point being, just because the savage people will lay out a spread sheet and honestly over do it in many aspects doesn't mean things have to all meet those numbers. Yet alot of people in game, in the community and even the devs themself act like the only content things should matter in =s savage/ultimate..

    I dont think the strike will do anything, you think people are going to care or even follow it your naïve it graps attention but it wont do anything. I don't think it will ever change for healers, or any class in the game period because to many people dismiss the vast majority of the game for what 2-10% of the games content?

    The problem is, if content you have to do in order to get your tome gear/ get max level is so booring for any role (big time on healers) that you won't pay attention to the game you just have netflix up and clear the problem with this, is how is someone suppose to train themselves and grow to become a better player in order to do savage?


    When I play through a game if I fail it doesn't matter you know why? It will help me grow failure isn't bad its not a horrible thing to fail at something seen as casual its not bad if it takes 20mins to clear a dungeon, its good and the devs and the savage/ultimate nya sayers dismissing people just because "its casual content" is honestly horrible what that tells people, is guess what your never going to get better at this game because all the content up to this point doesn't keep you on your toes so you can grow and improve your skills. Why is it horrible if something challenges someone and makes them have to keep their team healed up, why is it horrible if someone can die to a system in something like a dungeon? I'm sorry but i don't agree with their ideals on this and I find it wrong that they even follow that. In order for growth to happen we need to be tested, so we can learn from our failures in order to prepare our self for other things. I would love to go do savage and ultimate on a healer, but I dont think i ever will because this game hasn't trained me into what I should know in order to do that content. What the game teachs me through 80-90% of the games content is I don't have to pay attention i should have netflix up, I should have youtube up or reading a book not playing the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveyardprincess View Post
    yet the game makers seem to think the only content that ever should matter, or should require some effort or thinking is savage content or ultimate's. I enjoy playing what i enjoy, when i get on diablo 2 i can play w/e i want it doesnt matter if ww is the best for ubbers/fighting I can play a frogger if I choice to, doesnt matter if bone spirit is one of the best moves on necromancer poison is still great...
    In Shadowbringers and Endwalker, they amped up the difficulty of dungeons as requested, and I felt the pinch. I started dying as often as I did with raids because they added less opaque mechanics to challenge players that were complaining then. Though I amped up my game as you say, I don't feel that it was necessary to complicate the casual content so much that people like me can't just enjoy clearing the content. There are reasons why I don't run EX content anymore, let alone Savage raids. That content is what separates people who look for challenges from the casuals that just want to enjoy the game at their own pace. What right do you have to rob weaker, slower, less capable players of their experiences to enhance your own? Putting oneself above others is only natural. But when taking it too far, it becomes a form of narcissism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    In Shadowbringers and Endwalker, they amped up the difficulty of dungeons as requested, and I felt the pinch. I started dying as often as I did with raids because they added less opaque mechanics to challenge players that were complaining then. Though I amped up my game as you say, I don't feel that it was necessary to complicate the casual content so much that people like me can't just enjoy clearing the content. There are reasons why I don't run EX content anymore, let alone Savage raids. That content is what separates people who look for challenges from the casuals that just want to enjoy the game at their own pace. What right do you have to rob weaker, slower, less capable players of their experiences to enhance your own? Putting oneself above others is only natural. But when taking it too far, it becomes a form of narcissism.
    you can clear all that anyways, it doesnt matter how hard they make it when you can have npcs carry you through the content now _-_ you can legit clear anything in the game b y just going in and afking while npcs kill it for you, yes it will take time ... and you want to know what right..


    ITS YOUR OWN FAULT AT LEVEL 100+ if you cant handle basic stuff im sorry im not going to be nice with that, its your own fault you have the ability to learn from level 1 to get basic skill level to play.. if you want to clear with no effort while watching netflix go in with the npcs and just let them fight alone there you go proplem solved

    npcs are there for weaker/slower and less "capable players"


    and if you cant handle it being a little harder at higher levels thats your own fault, just stay below 70 content im sorry but we need to stop holding the hands of players that refuse to learn through the leveling process
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    In Shadowbringers and Endwalker, they amped up the difficulty of dungeons as requested.
    Where? The dungeons that are most likely to cause wipes are mostly ARR/HW ones with slightly obscure mechanics or ones where tanks and healers don't have their big tools yet. The only difficulty otherwise are the first dungeons of the expansion, which is an iLvl issue. If you're overgeared, they're a complete cakewalk unless people refuse to press their buttons.
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