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  1. #11
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    Other tanks are actually fun.
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  2. #12
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    If we don't need healers because it's fine if other roles invalidate another then I request tank Titan back so SMNs can invalidate tanks so everything balances out.
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    Black Mage Lv 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    If we don't need healers because it's fine if other roles invalidate another then I request tank Titan back so SMNs can invalidate tanks so everything balances out.
    You are so right
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Other tanks are actually fun.
    Fun but weaker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    Fun but weaker
    It's the natural end result of the balance team listening to Warriors who complain any time another tank does something better.
    Endless streamlining, homogenisation and unwarranted buffs in pursuit to make sure no tank ever has an opportunity to stand out other than Warrior has led us here.
    All tanks can clear, but you have no reason to ever play any tank over War.

    Warrior is the only tank in the game that can still do things that are unique to them. And where playing Warrior made the difference. (Or as others would call it; a moment of glory)
    Be it through some unreal amount of self sustain, having the best party mit, double dipping their personal or their invuln allowing them to skip entire tank mechanics that other tanks can't due to their cooldown.
    All the other tanks lost theirs to make the loud streamers and their viewers happy. Even a 4% dps difference was deemed unfair. Because you apparently can not tax the tank with the best version of every tank cooldown in the game.
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    Last edited by GoatOfWar; 06-16-2024 at 07:59 PM.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    Fun but weaker
    There are distinct upsides to the other tanks, that usually almost exclusive stem from superior raw mitigation, both PLD and DRK can put out higher mitigation at a much faster rate than WAR, but its very rarely relevant.

    Hopefully DT potencies put WAR back where it belongs in terms of damage but we'll see.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    If we don't need healers because it's fine if other roles invalidate another then I request tank Titan back so SMNs can invalidate tanks so everything balances out.
    To go fall circle bring back cleric stance but it makes Healers do more damage then DPS While inside of cleric stance.

    This way we can have tanks who are healing, Dps who are Tanking, Healers who are highest DPS.
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  8. #18
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Gunbreaker does more damage. So there is that.
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  9. 06-17-2024 06:34 AM
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    already said

  10. #19
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    Arkhon Dullgaroth
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    I can still remember the ractions to the problems of DRK in previous expansions

    Shadowbringer:
    "You don't need to have a rework or even any changes, DRK has the best mitigation in the game with TBN!"

    Endwalker:
    "You don't need to have a rework or even any changes, DRK has the best damage of all tanks!"

    I wonder what is going to be the excuse this expansion.
    Or maybe we are going to have more people to acknowledge problems coming from this class when it comes to gameplay and class identity/design and not divert the attention to potency issues.
    (One can dream)
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorSpoils View Post
    Living Dead turning into a full heal was a major factor as well.
    Assuming the healer will let me use it

    But it is amazing in deep dungeons.
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