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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    yall act like you are not all just going to the balance for your full rotation break down and print out anyways..
    The nice thing about procs is they make those full rotations not as important because then it becomes a priority system not just "do this list over and over til the boss is dead"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    The nice thing about procs is they make those full rotations not as important because then it becomes a priority system not just "do this list over and over til the boss is dead"
    on this point we definitely agree, my only concern is that this game will devolve to a place where a class is only viable via luck, as many other games have done previously, there needs to be a balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    on this point we definitely agree, my only concern is that this game will devolve to a place where a class is only viable via luck, as many other games have done previously, there needs to be a balance.
    Personally i'd rather they design around fun rather than the parsing side of things, but there's always RNG protection if a class became too rng dependant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Personally i'd rather they design around fun rather than the parsing side of things, but there's always RNG protection if a class became too rng dependant
    RNG isnt fun unless you are winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    RNG isnt fun unless you are winning.
    Tbh this goes to show you're not fully understanding whats being asked for, for example lets use a WoW frost mage as example,

    Your first attack is a frost bolt, which can proc brain freeze or ice lance or both the proc rate is generally quite high but not 100% guaranteed, but with the proc in hand you are given a choice, the ice lance is a guaranteed crit which is great but the brain freeze allows you to cast flurry which throws 3 small attacks at the enemy causing whats known as shatter which will increase crit damage, but even if you are unlucky and you dont get procs on your first frostbolt you are given a buff which increases your chance at getting a proc which resets after a proc is achieved, you are also given tools and other abilities which allows you to proc your abilities more often.

    sorry will stop there my cat has decided hes wants to lie across my kbnoard and knock over all my folded washing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    Tbh this goes to show you're not fully understanding whats being asked for, for example lets use a WoW frost mage as example,

    Your first attack is a frost bolt, which can proc brain freeze or ice lance or both the proc rate is generally quite high but not 100% guaranteed, but with the proc in hand you are given a choice, the ice lance is a guaranteed crit which is great but the brain freeze allows you to cast flurry which throws 3 small attacks at the enemy causing whats known as shatter which will increase crit damage, but even if you are unlucky and you dont get procs on your first frostbolt you are given a buff which increases your chance at getting a proc which resets after a proc is achieved, you are also given tools and other abilities which allows you to proc your abilities more often.



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    but then you have the pull where you dont proc and end up spamming frostbolt and are half the dps of everyone else..

    not to mention in wow you can pump your crit stat enough to guarantee crits in certain windows...
    even tho that means in certain content that frost is worthless to the other specs that can get a lot more out of the crit..

    not to mention wow doesn't run on tight enrage windows that require performance to kill the boss before it instant wins... yes i know they exist in wow, but even on mythic you can beat that wit a green parse...

    what do i know i'm only CE..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    but then you have the pull where you dont proc and end up spamming frostbolt and are half the dps of everyone else..

    not to mention in wow you can pump your crit stat enough to guarantee crits in certain windows...
    even tho that means in certain content that frost is worthless to the other specs that can get a lot more out of the crit..

    not to mention wow doesn't run on tight enrage windows that require performance to kill the boss before it instant wins... yes i know they exist in wow, but even on mythic you can beat that wit a green parse...

    what do i know i'm only CE..
    It's extremely rare to get that unlucky but I get it, you don't like proc based gameplay and you will shoot this down.. because you are CE.
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