What Do We Want to See? - AST

[Ari_Calithiel]

I mean this in the nicest way possible, you don't know how double shield healers work. If there is an event were they need to spam their GCD heals to deal with massive healing, they're healing wrong or the party is doing something wrong. SCH has Soil for mitigation + regen, Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination which increases healing by 10% and reduces magical damage by 5, Indom, Fey Blessing, Summon Seraph for Consolation, Expedient for another ability to reduce damage by 10%, and Critlo to place a beefy shield on the party. SGE also has a good chunk of these tools plus Panhaima.

I do not understand why you are coming at me so aggressively, but if that is how you wish to communicate, I shall do so in kind.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, you don't seem to understand how savage and ultimate raids work. I can point to multiple instances in my raiding experience were spam healing was not only good but necessary to progress the fight. Sure, you don't want to sit there being a healbot in most of the fights. But several mechanics in several encounters have instances where the boss hits you over and over in quick succession. I know what the abilities of all the classes do. My co-healer play SCH and I have savage raided on WHM, AST, and SGE. I pre-planned with my co-healer every encounter of all 3 tiers this expansion not to mention the 2 ultimates and all the extremes we did. I know what abilities have mitigation, what abilities are ogcd and roughly how long the cds are for almost all the abilities. The fact that you are trying to cut down my arguement by telling me "you don't know what you are talking about" without having any knowledge of my experience is both foolish and childish. You are welcome to look at FFlogs to verify my claims. My name Ari Calithiel and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one.

In a hypothetical where Neutral Sect doesn't exist (or even if it did) you aren't going to see Noct AST spam A. Helios. Currently that's a REGEN. If there is a need for spam healing that would be HELIOS which I addressed. Further, AST has Macrososmos to consolidate heal, Earthly Star, Collective Unconciousness for mit + regen, Lady of Crowns if they draw it, Horoscope, and Celestial Opposition. A Noct AST will still have all of those tools as Nocturnal Collective is pretty much the same in the end as Diurnal and Celestial Opposition stacks.

Nocturnal Sect is NOT an issue. Especially in high level play where I would be coordinating with my healer and even more so if the suggestion of making it stance dance actually gets implemented. I don't see why other healers would want it, other than SCH with Selene which, I'm all for.

Also A. Helios excluding the Regen which you will be overwriting every time you spam it is 250p. Helios' potency is 400. You will be spamming Helios and it would be better than to spam A. Helios.

If you don't want Nocturnal Sect to return because you don't like it that's fine, but please stop spreading misinformation it would be a hassle to cohealers. It was fine in Shb. It was fine in SB (if weak). It would have been fine in EW or DT and would be fine in 8.0

Fair, I misread the Helios and A. Helios potency. If you are going to spam helios, which had no shield healing capabilities in "oh shit" moments, why is nocturnal even needed? SCH or SGE provide better shields. I conceded that it would be nice if during the current nocturnal it also changed the ogcds opposition and intersection like it used to do. But that is the only neat thing about noct AST. Those 2 ogcds. All their gcd shields are less powerful and are overwritten in a shield war. It was not a powerful ability and with the appearance of SGE, it no longer serves the purpose of being an option for those that didn't want to play SCH. AST still has the ability to apply shields. Other than it being a pretty flavor, there was nothing overly impressive it brought to the table. As I keep saying and will continue to do, AST is a pre-planning healer and that is where the energy and effort should be put in. That is its identity and it is a fun and challenging one that should be supported further.