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  1. #1
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    xbahax92's Avatar
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    Flan Vongola
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    Im gay and I dont give a single fuck about this. Can we not just play a fun game with a good story, without forcing some agenda here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    Im gay and I dont give a single fuck about this. Can we not just play a fun game with a good story, without forcing some agenda here?
    Please educate yourself...

    https://usustatesman.com/opinion-why...-is-important/

    When I was a kid, I was obsessed with the Disney Channel show “Phineas and Ferb” (2007-2012). I thought — and still think — the show was incredible and made a point to watch it every day. As a child captivated by romance, I lived for the love between two of the main characters, Phineas and Isabella.

    However, no one would assume that this romance was pushing a sexual orientation onto me.

    More people than ever feel comfortable identifying as part of the LGBTQ+ community and as society continues to progress, this number is likely to continue growing.

    With an increase in people speaking out about identifying as queer, the media has also seen an increase in queer representation. Notable movies such as 20th Century Studios’ “Love, Simon” (2018) and shows such as Netflix’s “Heartstopper” (2022-present) have showcased queer lead characters to help more of the population feel represented.

    This representation has spread to kids’ media as well, but this seems to be where the biggest controversy lies.

    Disney shows like “Gravity Falls” (2021-2016) and “Good Luck Charlie” (2010-2014) were criticized for including same-sex couples as background characters. When rumors surfaced about Elsa from Disney’s “Frozen” (2013) being queer, there was pushback.

    So, when Disney’s “The Owl House” (2020-2023) featured the first canonically bisexual lead in a cartoon, people were angry.

    A common argument against queer representation in kids’ media is that it’s enticing the kids watching to identify as queer as well.

    In reality, sexual orientation is determined by brain chemistry and non-social environmental factors. In other words, the media and other people are both factors that do not contribute to sexual orientation.

    Furthermore, the goal of queer representation in kids’ media is not to encourage kids to change their sexuality. Instead, the goal is to help more children feel seen and comfortable being themselves.

    It’s no news that representation matters. People feel more comfortable with themselves when they see others like them, especially on a large scale. When people have others that they can identify with, they feel less alone, lowering levels of depression and anxiety.

    Kids’ media is no different, and a variety of representations in such is perhaps even more important. With kids still learning how to feel about themselves, understanding that there are other people like them can help counter feelings of loneliness and isolation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea-Wolf View Post
    Please educate yourself...
    naw i think i agree with bahax
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea-Wolf View Post
    Please educate yourself...

    https://usustatesman.com/opinion-why...-is-important/

    When I was a kid, I was obsessed with the Disney Channel show “Phineas and Ferb” (2007-2012). I thought — and still think — the show was incredible and made a point to watch it every day. As a child captivated by romance, I lived for the love between two of the main characters, Phineas and Isabella.

    However, no one would assume that this romance was pushing a sexual orientation onto me.

    More people than ever feel comfortable identifying as part of the LGBTQ+ community and as society continues to progress, this number is likely to continue growing.

    With an increase in people speaking out about identifying as queer, the media has also seen an increase in queer representation. Notable movies such as 20th Century Studios’ “Love, Simon” (2018) and shows such as Netflix’s “Heartstopper” (2022-present) have showcased queer lead characters to help more of the population feel represented.

    This representation has spread to kids’ media as well, but this seems to be where the biggest controversy lies.

    Disney shows like “Gravity Falls” (2021-2016) and “Good Luck Charlie” (2010-2014) were criticized for including same-sex couples as background characters. When rumors surfaced about Elsa from Disney’s “Frozen” (2013) being queer, there was pushback.

    So, when Disney’s “The Owl House” (2020-2023) featured the first canonically bisexual lead in a cartoon, people were angry.

    A common argument against queer representation in kids’ media is that it’s enticing the kids watching to identify as queer as well.

    In reality, sexual orientation is determined by brain chemistry and non-social environmental factors. In other words, the media and other people are both factors that do not contribute to sexual orientation.

    Furthermore, the goal of queer representation in kids’ media is not to encourage kids to change their sexuality. Instead, the goal is to help more children feel seen and comfortable being themselves.

    It’s no news that representation matters. People feel more comfortable with themselves when they see others like them, especially on a large scale. When people have others that they can identify with, they feel less alone, lowering levels of depression and anxiety.

    Kids’ media is no different, and a variety of representations in such is perhaps even more important. With kids still learning how to feel about themselves, understanding that there are other people like them can help counter feelings of loneliness and isolation.
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    I love "please educate yourself" then links a opinion piece lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    Im gay and I dont give a single fuck about this. Can we not just play a fun game with a good story, without forcing some agenda here?
    I linked this to a few in my FC as well and they both had the same reaction as you. From what I gather, pretty much all LGBTQ+ people just want to play fantasy games and forget about the real world. People like OP like to stir the pot and start fights.
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    Jitah'li Habhoka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    People like OP like to stir the pot and start fights.


    something something
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    Malthir Durnith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    I linked this to a few in my FC as well and they both had the same reaction as you. From what I gather, pretty much all LGBTQ+ people just want to play fantasy games and forget about the real world. People like OP like to stir the pot and start fights.
    I've noticed that in literally all media genres and groups, shocking surprise LGBTQ people are just like everyone else and only mentally ill people spend all their time making their sexuality their entire personality(gay, straight or any combo you want). I'm a straight dude, one of my all time favourite books is called Corpies about a superhero, he's also gay, by the logic of some people I shouldn't be able to empathise or enjoy the story because I'm not even slightly represented in the book........... How about instead of SE adding LGBTQ characters, they just yeet some of these scions and add good characters regardless of their sexual orientation.

    I'd put this question to OP, would you rather have a great character well written story and interesting plots, or a bad story but it's ticked all you diversity boxes?
    Sea wolf keeps talking about no LGBTQ characters on the forum but other than Urianger, none of their sexualities are every discussed, they can be whatever your head cannon has them as. In fact I literally think the only character prominent character in the game that's had their sexuality discussed is Urianger.
    You could argue Thancred potentially, but other than that none of the scions have any romantic interests, likely intentionally so each player can decided how their version of the scions are.
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    Last edited by Malthir; 06-10-2024 at 11:00 PM.