New Benchmark (June): Au Ra Feedback

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

Plushy please refer to the reply (replies, I might as well say at this point) I gave you on the JP thread...
You might also want to look into survivorship bias.

[Plushy]

Plushy please refer to the reply (replies, I might as well say at this point) I gave you on the JP thread...
You might also want to look into survivorship bias.

I saw it. But I don't think it really applies/ I don't think its a good argument which is why I didn't reply both times you sent me that. [Rereading this part this sounded aggressive, please don't take this as such T^T] (and I didn't want to argue on the jp fourms and I also don't like arguing in general)
If someone can't do the benchmark and give their opinion then they just can't be counted and even if you want to count them. It could swing both ways, they could be happy or sad about the change which is why I didn't reply both times so what if about 70% like the changes? and honestly a lot of the console players tend to get their friend to create it for them.
Also I'm aware of the differences in how JP and EN use the forums but in the end, they all still reply the same and both give out opinions and it isn't that much of a huge difference between the two other than JP liking comments WAY more likely than EN. They're not THAT much difference other than EN also being more aggressive more often as well and don't post in compact threads and rather make their own threads.

I also don't think survivorship bias applies as well because when looking for feedback and you want to compare, you have to separate the two. Which I'm doing for forums and X. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by that. But even if I am, just by reading that I don't agree.
Because I feel this could be applied when talking about any differences in feedback between communities and sns. Sorry I didn't really read much into whats that suppose to mean so I could be misunderstanding what you're trying to say....never heard of this before.

But rather than just trying to deflect my findings why not try to counter it with your own findings? because I'm convinced that more people are in favor of the new au ra than old just based on X/reddit posts alone.

Since the fourms is usually negative I can't find much proof here if you wanted me to find positive posts here rather than looking else where.

[Loggos]

Plushy please refer to the reply (replies, I might as well say at this point) I gave you on the JP thread...
You might also want to look into survivorship bias.

Sorry for the slightly off-topic interjection but since you post on the Japanese side of the forum a lot could you perhaps post the link for the Japanese benchmark player feedback thread again? I lost it unfortunately. orz
Are they still using the old one or have they started a new one for the 1.1. benchmark?

I'm happy for everyone who likes their Au Ra in the new benchmark. Unfortunately for me, the things I'm unhappy with are still the same as they were in the first version. And while I don't expect or assume in any way that this should or could be fixed for DT's release I hope that feedback can perhaps still be taken into consideration in later patches or if/when the character creator overhaul arrives.

[Sekhar]

I mean, I am more than happy to have these new face sculpts, eyes etc. as options.

It would give more ways for people to express their ideal character and damn would the character creator profit from more options.
The issue is they aren't doing that. They are basically telling people who liked their characters so far to go pound sand since they have "their vision".

It is nice that some people enjoy it but if they suddenly said "FFXIV is dead, we are making FFXI-2" some people would also like that but nobody in their right mind would say that everyone should just shut up and accept it because it is "their vision".

And it isn't like people here are just shouting "I HATE IT". A lot of people give very detailed examples as to what they dislike and why. Which as far as feedback goes is worth a lot more than shouting "it is so pretty!". Ignoring that maybe not everyone wants their character to be pretty but instead maybe have a bit more of a rugged feel.

[Kuro_Matsu]

Sorry for the slightly off-topic interjection but since you post on the Japanese side of the forum a lot could you perhaps post the link for the Japanese benchmark player feedback thread again? I lost it unfortunately. orz
Are they still using the old one or have they started a new one for the 1.1. benchmark?

Forgive me for butting in though the question wasn't pointed towards me.

On the JP side they have made a mega thread. Page 116 starts the feedback for Benchmark v1.1.

Thread: グラフィックアップデートに関する意見・要望・議論

[Loggos]

Forgive me for butting in though the question wasn't pointed towards me.

On the JP side they have made a mega thread. Page 116 starts the feedback for Benchmark v1.1.

Thread: グラフィックアップデートに関する意見・要望・議論

Thank you so much!

[Irishfae]

On the JP side they have made a mega thread. Page 116 starts the feedback for Benchmark v1.1.

Thank you!

From what I'm seeing they are saying the same thing that the EN forums are saying. So, hopefully, we'll see some of the changed elements reverted back. /fingerscrossed

[Kuro_Matsu]

Thank you so much!

You're welcome.

Thank you!

From what I'm seeing they are saying the same thing that the EN forums are saying. So, hopefully, we'll see some of the changed elements reverted back. /fingerscrossed

I'm keeping my expectations tempered. These changes seem to be of stylistic nature and not "errors". But I keep my fingers crossed that they change at least some of these things, too. I don't think it'll be in Dawntrail though, even with enough of us putting in our concerns.

I've done what I can to change my Au Ra main, but that was limited to just the eye color. The reshaping is another thing entirely. I'll either come to the end of the acceptance phase or change to another look entirely. I hope it doesn't come to the latter. I'll be sad to lose a character I've loved and barely changed for the last 8 years.

[Plushy]

Thank you!

From what I'm seeing they are saying the same thing that the EN forums are saying. So, hopefully, we'll see some of the changed elements reverted back. /fingerscrossed

I'm only saying this not because I want you to lose hope but because this mind set NA players have that if "JP complains things will change" is really odd and silly...Just because the jp players complain doesn't mean things will change. If that was the case we would have kaiten back because they complained about as hard as NA did.

There are other regions than just NA and JP.
There is South Korea, China, Germany and France.
The reason why au ra had minimal changes is because compared to something like moon/keepers miqo'te fangs being shorter which was pretty universal, the complaining about au ra wasn't as big as some people really liked it and some didn't and it also didn't help that most the complains were from mostly type 4 au ra (the horn type you have) or something like the colors being off and other minor things.
More people liked the au ra changes than disliked. I've already shown X/twitter posts of it being extremely liked, having 5-5.9k likes with almost half a million views and lots of praises.


https://twitter.com/elimido12/status...45452600279183 5.9k
https://twitter.com/ppr_choco/status...44015141261431 5.7k Likes
https://twitter.com/kazula_ggnr/stat...92179143323929 2k Likes
https://twitter.com/Ms_irene8D/statu...82195567231397 1.8k Likes
https://twitter.com/monamomm/status/1797591808534565081 726 Likes
https://twitter.com/FF14_DAM_/status...38494518337772 435 Likes
https://twitter.com/cheliseul/status...31807631728770 358 Likes
https://twitter.com/rtn_ff14/status/1797610464484151617 488 Likes
https://twitter.com/bunnalien/status...57335541936579 1.5k Likes
https://twitter.com/JWFF14_/status/1797548707254243759 435 Likes
https://twitter.com/alicia_cresw/sta...27577999130802 432 Likes
https://twitter.com/yami_xiv/status/1797650861008801970 1k Likes
https://twitter.com/dawnmoon_ff/stat...90100186190140 724 Likes
https://twitter.com/Tsubaki422_ff14/...45236200767944 193 Likes
https://twitter.com/_ria_ff14/status...05862004572461 792 Likes
https://twitter.com/_ria_ff14/status...41511923495385 696 Likes
https://twitter.com/zer0wife/status/1797535040194388004 2.3k Likes
https://twitter.com/franandneo/statu...79029291372923 2.1k

I found something that's more geared towards being negative for au ra new look and its a youtube video and its from a decently sized youtuber from a ffxiv content creator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl2C8pD2TAc&t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vlLSgZGnqs&t=145s
In case you don't have the tool to see dislikes. Her two videos being upset with the au ra changes are really split between likes and dislikes, compared to her other videos which are mostly higher in likes and low in dislikes. This should tell you that people just don't largely agree that the new au ra looks bad. Even in her comments you see people extremely mixed between agreeing or disagreeing which doesn't happen in youtube comments since people normally just agree with anything the creator says.
You see some people saying "I actually think the new au ra looks good" or "your new au ra looks better".

Other videos from bigger ffxiv content creators like zepla, ayycatt (didn't include xeno or arthers due to strong language but just know that both of them liked the new au ra but it was from a showcase 5months ago back in fan fest)
https://youtu.be/rxlXrYkeRc4?t=179 (from the older benchmark)
https://youtu.be/L1uJV7t5LeY?t=1212 (from older benchmark)
https://youtu.be/oWByvmJXBks?t=4018 (Newer benchmark)

Notice how these videos barely have any dislikes and more likes and in the comments you see people praising au ra.
So basically what I'm trying to say is....there is a lot of feedback SE looks at and if things didn't change its because there is a lot of things you're probably not aware of and seeing as other than face 4 having a ton of corrections because it was the most complained about, a lot of things people did like stayed the same. So I honestly believe the likelihood of things changing is really small. I think the best thing for you to hope is rather than asking for things to revert, ask for more options because just based on my findings. I'm just not seeing the dislike of au ra other than couple of people on the forums and even on the JP side its the same people repeating rather than new au ra players posting.

Its ultimately up to SE/FFXIV dev team to decide either way as, unlike me. They gather feedback way more than I ever could since they have an entire team that's job is to gather feedback and they don't just look on the forums.
But I do want to make it clear me saying this isn't dismissing anybody feelings or concerns.
Though its obvious I like the changes. I'm only saying this because most people here only see feedback from the forums (and have a weird mindset SE only listens to JP) and I just wanted to spread awareness, since people like me that are in favor of the new au ra. are not going to come to the forums or post since they're happy anyway.

[Irishfae]

More people liked the au ra changes than disliked. I've already shown X/twitter posts of it being extremely liked, having 5-5.9k likes with almost half a million views and lots of praises.

Please just stop! Do you even play Au Ra? Your main looks like a miqo'te.

Notice how these videos barely have any dislikes and more likes and in the comments you see people praising au ra.

Why do you care? Really? Likes don't necessarily equate to 'I like how that looks." I like things that people I know post when they are happy about something, but I might not agree with them. So, please, it isn't a good data point on what people actually think. It could also be likes by people who don't play Au Ra and who never intend to. Likes mean nothing without having the actual motivation behind them.

But I do want to make it clear me saying this isn't dismissing anybody feelings or concerns.

It really does seem that way. Just stop, please. Posting all the 'But here are all the people who have 'liked' social media posts' isn't good feedback. It just seems like you like to argue and try to convince people that they are wrong to be concerned about THEIR characters.

I'm not going to go into other forums (or the mega thread) and tell those players they are wrong to think what they think and I'm not going to point out that 'see here, all these other people like the changes.'

I do like a lot of the other changes, in fact I like some of the changes to other Au Ra heads, but my fellow Au Ra players don't, and since I don't play that specific model, I'm not going to to try to counter their concerns.

Please take a step back and read the room. This isn't helping anything what-so-ever.