With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[Johners]

In addition to QoL, running the game in SteamDeck/other Linuxes would not be possible with anti-cheat at all.

I believe non-standard launcher is also used in these platforms since standard one has stability issues under Proton.

The third party launcher is handy on Steam Deck because the official launcher doesn't remember your password on PC. However, if they implemented proper single sign on like the Xbox version of the game has, opening the launcher would automatically authenticate into your Square Enix account (albeit this was only be useful for anybody playing through a Steam license and not a standalone Windows license).

[Doozer]

Odd that topics of cheaters always come around to people using cosmetic or QoL mods and rarely about actual botting/cheating in the game. Then of course when someone does talk about actual cheating it's under the assumption that everyone who beats them in casual CC must be cheating.

[Vallerie]

Of course they do, just look at this thread - it’s all ‘cheating’ to the detractors who make these. It’s very obvious they don’t interact a ton with actual mod users…of course, who would admit this to wannabe cops.

[Azureskies01]

So you are telling me you are making these claims without a single shred of evidence? It is all just assumptions and conjecture? That is such a surprise, I am at a loss for words. You seemed so certain, and it even corroborated your claims, accusations and personal attacks on your fellow players so well.

I didn't use any personal attacks on players. If you want to be more accurate I was being rude to people who cheat and laughing at others who say cheating is ok.

It seems you must have skipped the part of being a kid where you learn logical thought processes and critical thinking skills. If someone is willing to cheat in the game why would they care when it comes to downloading (or making) a mod that simply changes their gear id of whatever it is they want to change? Talk about you arguing in bad faith, you are arguing in -redacted- faith.

You still haven't answered the question from my last post though sooo

I don’t use them but I really don’t care unless it’s pvp or a world first (for the latter at least have the decency of being honest). Otherwise, it has zero effect on me.

When it cone to cosmetic mods in particular why would anyone care if someone wants to alter the look of their character and what they see on their own screen? It’s inconsequential.

different countries, different legislation. Someone might get pissed and institute a privacy based lawsuit too.

How would them suing a company in the US make it so they would get sued in another country over privacy? This makes no sense. Also as an aside it is funny to think that any other county has as strong of a legal protection as the 4th amendment in the USA but current year schooling leaves a lot to be desired.

Of course they do, just look at this thread - it’s all ‘cheating’ to the detractors who make these. It’s very obvious they don’t interact a ton with actual mod users…of course, who would admit this to wannabe cops.

Yeah... seems like someone hasn't been in limsa and seen the bot spam or been in PF and seen how many people post AM required or sorry "the thing" as they label it. An anti cheat would of course stop (or make it much more risky) to bot, that goes without saying. The point here is the player interacts with Pve and Pvp cheaters the most - outside of going to venues I suppose (My own past FC that was casual savage and ult "raiders" all used cheats and would talk about them frequently in discord - other than the one dude on ps5), therefore it would stands to reason that would be what most bring up.

[Saraide]

If someone is willing to cheat in the game why would they care when it comes to downloading (or making) a mod that simply changes their gear id of whatever it is they want to change? Talk about you arguing in bad faith, you are arguing in -redacted- faith.

Tell us when you find out. Maybe your perception of people using plugins is simply flawed.

[HikariKurosawa]

Why do people cheat for titan gaols after all? I was going to make a post defending AM and arguing that it's an unreasonable mechanic, but you can assign everyone numbers 1-7, have everyone create a corresponding macro that you press if you get gaol that puts your marker on your head, and then resolve it just like how it is done with AM already?

People would rather invalidate their entire run than take a minute to assign priorities and add a single button input macro to sort out a challenging mechanic without cheating? Why do we excuse this?

[ForteNightshade]

Why do people cheat for titan gaols after all? I was going to make a post defending AM and arguing that it's an unreasonable mechanic, but you can assign everyone numbers 1-7, have everyone create a corresponding macro that you press if you get gaol that puts your marker on your head, and then resolve it just like how it is done with AM already?

People would rather invalidate their entire run than take a minute to assign priorities and add a single button input macro to sort out a challenging mechanic without cheating? Why do we excuse this?

The general consensus is that the gaol mechanic resolves too quickly in a PF environment which makes it annoying to determine who actually has the marker since you're all lumped together for the initial knockback then have little more than two seconds to figure out who goes where and to all get there in time.

Personally, I don't love the mechanic for that very reason but have done it legit multiple times. In fact, all of my initial clears were a priority system my group at the time came up with. Granted, it being a static meant we could call out adjustments. Even then, people get lazy in reclears. On the whole though, I really don't care if people use AM for gaols at this point. You skip so much of UwU nowadays, the fight is a complete shell of itself. JP takes a step further and literally has four players kill themselves to force the mechanic on only three people since it won't ever target the MT. They promptly raise everyone and still meet the DPS check despite four weaknesses. When we're already disrespecting the mechanic to that extent. Does it really matter if some want to use AM?

[Doozer]

People would rather invalidate their entire run than take a minute to assign priorities and add a single button input macro to sort out a challenging mechanic without cheating? Why do we excuse this?

You know what happens to you or anyone else when someone "invalidates" their run by using plugins? Literally nothing. Before you say this is me defending cheating and being a cheater and literally telling people to cheat because that's what it means when someone doesn't agree with you, I just don't think people should be so invested in whether someone cheats in PvE. Someone doing a challenging thing I did but with cheats so they never had to actually work for it does nothing to me or my own accomplishment.

Obviously things like botting and cheating (actual cheating, not using a cosmetic mod or something) are bad and shouldn't be in the game, but I really don't think some of the ways people cheat actually hurt anyone but the person doing it.

[Toutatis]

How would them suing a company in the US make it so they would get sued in another country over privacy? This makes no sense. Also as an aside it is funny to think that any other county has as strong of a legal protection as the 4th amendment in the USA but current year schooling leaves a lot to be desired.

People sue foreign companies regularly. This isn't new and there are ways to enforce it on a company such as SE. Class actions often lead to settlements and companies changing their practices. When a company choses to do business in a country, they have to follow local laws. And your 4th amendment is 100% irrelevant to this.

[HikariKurosawa]

You know what happens to you or anyone else when someone "invalidates" their run by using plugins? Literally nothing. Before you say this is me defending cheating and being a cheater and literally telling people to cheat because that's what it means when someone doesn't agree with you, I just don't think people should be so invested in whether someone cheats in PvE. Someone doing a challenging thing I did but with cheats so they never had to actually work for it does nothing to me or my own accomplishment.

Obviously things like botting and cheating (actual cheating, not using a cosmetic mod or something) are bad and shouldn't be in the game, but I really don't think some of the ways people cheat actually hurt anyone but the person doing it.

Automarker is literally botting