With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[PercibelTheren]

Berne convention and universal copyright convention, Berne being more a more strict set of rules that most countries have followed that protect Copywritten works of course.

Please, if you know very little about which you speak then you can always ....not speak

The Universal Copyright Convention and the Berne Convention both say that the copyright laws from the country of origin apply everywhere. Last time I checked, SE is not based in the US. Therefore, my point about US court decisions not applying to other countries still stands.

[XenociderOmega]

Haven't looked in a while but i know that the botting program that were made for WoW changed to ff14 after blizzard sued them and yes you have to buy the bot problem

[Sayo_]

Are the community willing to sacrifice ACT or FFLogs, or mods and plugins in general if that's the case? They may not be cheats, but falls into not authorized third party software, not allowed by the ToS. Imagine if SE announces legal actions against bot software and RMT and also includes any other third party tools. Or it is the community hypocrite enough to say "ACT, mods and plugins no, please, only RTM and bots"? Because i think would be more like "I will tolerate RMT if they let me keep ACT".

I would be willing to get rid of all those things. I'm all in favor of an anti-cheat being put in place.

[Saraide]

I'd argue that the whole "resume" part of fflogs and act is more offputting to a majority of players than it is encouraging them to engage with the content. Participation numbers would go up, not down. Not to mention, most parses are not an accurate representation of the player's skill or potential.

The amount of people who actually care about that stuff are an extreme minority.

Also what does it mean for ultimate content to become entirely insolated? Definitions of insolate. verb. expose to the rays of the sun or affect by exposure to the sun. “insolated paper may turn yellow and crumble”

The other thing is, PF ultimates are proof that all your claims are incorrect. You don't vet players in PF, they join the group, it fills, and you do the run. Tons of people clear the hardest content in the game through PF.

Lmao why do you think vetting doesnt happen in PF

[HikariKurosawa]

Lmao why do you think vetting doesnt happen in PF

Okay let me clarify, it does happen, but it doesn't happen more often than it does. There are weird people in every part of the game. Like most people who don't want an anti-cheat are using alexander to double weave consistently when you're not really supposed to do that by the game's design and wouldn't be parsing nearly as high as you are without using addons.

It's just a joke that people are enabled to do what they do. There is no such thing as the elite in this game because everyone at the top is cheating. So what's the point of vetting players to begin with? The "job resume" you're talking about is basically "are you willing to cheat to get ahead?"

Hard to respect anyone's opinion when even black mages are using an addon to track mp ticks for their non-standard optimizations. This community's "hardcore" playerbase is pathetic.

[LianaThorne]

Okay let me clarify, it does happen, but it doesn't happen more often than it does. There are weird people in every part of the game. Like most people who don't want an anti-cheat are using alexander to double weave consistently when you're not really supposed to do that by the game's design and wouldn't be parsing nearly as high as you are without using addons.

It's just a joke that people are enabled to do what they do. There is no such thing as the elite in this game because everyone at the top is cheating. So what's the point of vetting players to begin with? The "job resume" you're talking about is basically "are you willing to cheat to get ahead?"

Hard to respect anyone's opinion when even black mages are using an addon to track mp ticks for their non-standard optimizations. This community's "hardcore" playerbase is pathetic.

Just gonna state the obvious that everyone at the top doesn't cheat. Console players somehow manage to clear Ultimates and I can say that not everyone on the PC side of things sinks to using them either. Is it becoming more of an issue on the PC side of things lately? Yep.

I just don't think it's accurate to say that everyone at the top is cheating. Or you might have to specify what is the "top" in your opinion since there aren't official rankings in this game outside of PVP (but even they're irrelevant since rewards are trash).

[Boblawblah]

Maybe it's because I'm so casual, but I've never really understood people being so focused on anti-cheat systems, especially in an mmorpg. It's not competitive, it's not CS:Go or Overwatch or something. And also, I can't imagine it's THAT pervasive that it's affecting most players.

Combine that with how invasive anti-cheat systems have to be to be truly effective, and it's just not worth it for me.

[OdinelStarrei]

Okay let me clarify, it does happen, but it doesn't happen more often than it does. There are weird people in every part of the game. Like most people who don't want an anti-cheat are using alexander to double weave consistently when you're not really supposed to do that by the game's design and wouldn't be parsing nearly as high as you are without using addons.

This is probably one of the stupidest and most ignorant things I have ever read on this forum. The reason why it's so bad, is because there is official, developer approved material that implements double weaves, such as the Official Shadowbringers Job & Dungeons Guide book, which has double weaves on even the slowest of jobs like WAR recommended, there are certain jobs in the game that cannot physically be played without the usage of several consecutive double weaves without complete cooldown dealignment or resource overcapping (DRK, GNB, MCH, BRD, DRG, RPR, SAM, AST under Lightspeed)

If clipping your GCD was intentional (something that is inevitable if you fail a double weave or try to triple weave), why did all the healers have their awful spam 1 nuke GCD reduced in cast time to 1.5? Why does Eukrasia make your next GCD cast (with the exception of Pnuema) instant? It's certainly not for movement, because SGE has one of the most consistent and free teleports in the game only beat by NIN. But it certainly makes sense considering SGE has a large amount of oGCDs that are meant to be weaved together.

If double weaving consistently wasn't intended, it actually is really easy to not let that happen, and it's called "make everything in the game that could be a double weave have an animation lock like Stardiver does" Because Stardiver, even with good connections, is unweavable. But if anything, the fact that jobs have oGCDs that are prerequisites to other oGCDs, such as Edge of Shadow being a technical pre-requisite to Shadowbringer but possible in the same weave windows even with this game's abysmal tickrate.

[HikariKurosawa]

Maybe it's because I'm so casual, but I've never really understood people being so focused on anti-cheat systems, especially in an mmorpg. It's not competitive, it's not CS:Go or Overwatch or something. And also, I can't imagine it's THAT pervasive that it's affecting most players.

Combine that with how invasive anti-cheat systems have to be to be truly effective, and it's just not worth it for me.

If you want to do ultimates in PF, you have to play with cheaters. That's why it is a problem. It isn't affecting most players, it is affecting every single player who engages in high end content through party finder.

Also, what do you just not play any other game? Even elden ring has an anti-cheat. This whole idea that people would quit if square implemented an anti-cheat is just empty threats because people want to keep cheating(yes cosmetic addons are cheats, you are supposed to earn or pay for cosmetics)

[Boblawblah]

yes cosmetic addons are cheats, you are supposed to earn or pay for cosmetics

Ah..okay, you're one of those people.