Jobs feel pretty much complete with Dawntrail no?

[IDontPetLalas]

This is the entitlement I am talking about. I've read plenty of constructive posts and I'm not referring to them. Most of the people complaining are either in the wrong restaurant or fully accountable for their bad experience.

To use your restaurant analogy, it's like someone goes into a sushi restaurant, orders a big mac, and just won't leave. Keeps complaining and blaming the chef, but won't go to the mcdonalds next door. "I like the feeling of this restaurant but I want a big mac! I am really attached to the seat I got and I had to wait a month for reservations!"

It's not "entitlement" to express your opinion in a respectful way when you are the end consumer. Don't twist my words. I am not expressing that "the customer is always right".

What I AM saying is that whomever is producing a product - it can be anything - a web design, a portrait- in this case a game- cannot be completely self-indulgent. yes, they can and usually do have a design and vision and mind - but if it does not sell, if it does not please the customer - then it won't sell- and THAT is what matters.

So yes, I would agree that sometime customers are misinformed, or ill-informed, or have impractical suggestions, but you seem too quick to point the finger back at the customer and say that "this isn't the game for you".

[ZavosEsperian]

It's about discourse and sharing perspective with others. What are you hoping to gain out of engaging with this thread the way you have been? You have been contrarian and unpleasant this entire time as if you have some kind of negative predisposition toward me.

You created a thread topic on a public forum everyone who plays the game. There is a near 100% chance you are going to have someone show up who will challenge your perspective and there is also a chance most people will not agree with your opinions, which it is clear there are a lot of users of the forums who disagree with your opinions.

Having been from the ARR era of the game, current job complexity has been significantly reduced in an effort to standardize encounters and job rotations around a roughly 2 minute (120 second) rotation. Due to this standardization and the fact FFXIV as a game does not lock you into a specific class/job/etc, there will exist players (especially those who started a long time ago such as myself) who have noticed this standardization over a period of time affecting a lot of the jobs in the game, particularly jobs that came into the game at an earlier point in the game's life cycle.

I, along with some others in this thread, reject this standardization/homogenization of the classes that we play/played as it leads to very bland job design across the board and results in jobs contained inside of a specific role to feel the same as another in the role, but with salt and pepper added to it to make it slightly less bland. You are on the other side of this argument thus are going to feel attacked every time I or anyone else goes after what you like. We are as entitled to have and share our opinions as much as you are.

Why should people be so negative and selfish? What is your problem really?

We are not only FFXIV players, we are also FFXIV payers. We pay money to be able to play a game that we want to enjoy in one shape or another. It is not selfish to want more from a product that we actively pay a certain sum of money on a regular basis to have access to, particularly when some of the things we want access to were, at one point in time, inside of the game and were removed instead of preserved (such as making a new job to preserve the playstyle/features of another job that were removed). All of us are entitled to leave opinions about the product/service we are actively paying for.

I can relate this to being a regular at a restaurant. If, over time, the items on the menu started to appear more or less the same, options were removed from the menu, and the quality of the ingredients was reduced all while the cost of going to said restaurant remained the same or even potentially went up, are you going to going to continue going to that restaurant or are you going to start looking elsewhere? Where I live, I have stopped going to restaurants for this exact reason despite not wanting to go look somewhere else, but I cannot deny the reduction in quality or getting less for the same amount of money.

??? You think I am cranky? You're the one who is complaining about the direction of the game along with 5-10 other people who have hundreds to thousands of negative posts on the forums. My thread doesn't have to "succeed" at anything. It is just a player of the game appreciating the changes being made. I couldn't care less about what you think, and you've already lost.

It is clear to me having read the thread that, over time, you have become considerably more irate and are willing to insult those who have come after you. You haven't convinced me or anyone else in the thread with any of your posts or tags you have attached to the thread of changing our positions. While you do not need to heed my advice, you should probably take a break from posting since you have devolved into attacking people with insults. The only "loser" here is you if you continue to act the way that you are.

[HikariKurosawa]

It is clear to me having read the thread that, over time, you have become considerably more irate and are willing to insult those who have come after you. You haven't convinced me or anyone else in the thread with any of your posts or tags you have attached to the thread of changing our positions. While you do not need to heed my advice, you should probably take a break from posting since you have devolved into attacking people with insults. The only "loser" here is you if you continue to act the way that you are.

This is true, this forum is a cess pool of discontent and it's not really the energy I want to be around. I've said my appreciative things toward the devs, there are others who feel the same way as I do and a small handful of active posters that seem to hate this game the way it is. Fact is it's more successful than ever and is only going to become more successful, which speaks volumes for how well the formula is working for the devs.

But yeah, you're right. I don't want to be around these doom and gloom posters much longer. It's wild how pessimistic and negative so many of you are. Just get a life outside of the game or something if you're not happy with it. You're not going to get anywhere by crying about some niche desire for clunky game design. Majority rules in capitalism and most people want what I want. Look at the numbers.

[HappyHubris]

Healer dps design is what it is for a reason, because they are healers. I don't understand why people want complex damage rotations or even interesting damage rotations on a healer. The whole point of it being so simple is because they only want us to be thinking of healing magic. Damage is literally filler on a healer and it should be as mindless as possible. It's already enough focus to just maintain a single dot for me personally. I'd rather get my healing kit even further developed, or get mobility spells than I would get any more damage. Looks like we're getting oGCD damage spells though so the people wanting for more damage won. It's just never going to be enough until you're doing something like a tank's rotation on top of having extremely overpowered healing spells that require zero thought and are all oGCD for some.

The problem comes in when filler is a vast majority of your time. Square can give us interesting filler or very limited filler, but delivering neither causes burn-out. If you've healed other MMOs, healing is more constant and interesting.

People who talk about how jobs are not being changed up significantly every expansion don't really understand how square enix has been approaching job design I guess. They want to build upon what they have already made, keep it the same but improved. There will likely rarely be significant reworks unless a job is completely broken like summoner was. Their goal is clearly to refine and polish what already is.

Yes, that's why we got the gutting of healer complexity, reduced BRD complexity, etc etc. Reworks are tending towards simplification, not polish.

[HappyHubris]

I didn't say constantly heal. Not even once. I said that they should be focused primarily or entirely on healing. The damage spells exist so that you're contributing while you are watching for healing moments, but you're still focused entirely on watching out for those healing moments.

If I wanted to play dps I would play dps.

So you're just lazy, then? You want to spam 1 key while waiting to heal every once in a while.

Some of us prefer more consistent responsibility and activity.

[HappyHubris]

Reading more, I regret responding. Ignore list it is!

[HikariKurosawa]

So you're just lazy, then? You want to spam 1 key while waiting to heal every once in a while.

Some of us prefer more consistent responsibility and activity.

Lazy because I want the healing part of the job to be the expression of skill? I'm sorry but you people are just extremely disingenuous and I hope you never get your way. Honestly too, you won't because this is capitalism. Lots of cases, capitalism leads to a worse product, but it's funny because in FFXIV they're actually succeeding at making the best product for the most amount of people. It's not a loss for capitalism to control FFXIV, it's a win.

[Ephremjlm]

Lol I'm mad that I read this far, and judging from some of the likes I know i'm not the only one XD. Some of you are fighting the good fight though, I commend you!

[Kaixern]

(Also, for the love of Zodiark, what are those tags?!)

[HikariKurosawa]

(Also, for the love of Zodiark, what are those tags?!)

Read the thread. Someone tried tagging it as a troll thread so I added tags to describe how people were responding to it. If you think they're not applicable to the posters in this thread what can I say? Keep raging against capitalism but this is the way of the world.