The Chimera, the Monk and the Guard

[fusional]

No way is Dragoon harder to play with it's almost limitless TP buildup lol.

the more TP you have to play with the harder it is to play the job (correctly), as it begins to taking much much much more creativity and skill to squeeze out as many WSs as humanly possible and perfect your rotation. played correctly, dragoon should outdps warrior on princess, both single target and aoe. this doesn't happen often, however, because dragoon isn't easy to play correctly.

it's easy to just hit buttons when you have TP, but if that's your argument- every melee in this game is faceroll.

Ifrit was a good example for this, you almost NEVER saw Pugilist in the party because of the damage they would take from being so close.

getting hit by sear more often doesn't make it more difficult to play pgl/mnk. it simply makes it more difficult to dps without taking damage. they aren't the same thing.

Bard is just buff when the buff goes down and buff certain people something different. And you have an instant hate remover plus attacking from far.

no, that isn't all bard is. an excellent bard is quite capable of 115 single target dps on mistress. while that's quite a bit lower than what the blms and mnks are doing, it's also really fucking hard because dpsing isn't all the bard is doing. the distance advantage also doesn't mean the job doesn't have an incredibly high skill ceiling. it just means it's easier to pick up and smash your face on the keyboard a few times to dps without taking too much unnecessary damage.

correlation does not imply causation.

i'll believe you about bard being really easy when it becomes standard for every single bard in the game to easily hit melee with BV+paeon, backline with BV+ballad (or minuet, if you prefer), then proceed to top 110 dps while tossing spot heals at hairy moments.

[Quatre]

the more TP you have to play with the harder it is to play the job (correctly), as it begins to taking much much much more creativity and skill to squeeze out as many WSs as humanly possible and perfect your rotation. played correctly, dragoon should outdps warrior on princess, both single target and aoe. this doesn't happen often, however, because dragoon isn't easy to play correctly.

it's easy to just hit buttons when you have TP, but if that's your argument- every melee in this game is faceroll.



getting hit by sear more often doesn't make it more difficult to play pgl/mnk. it simply makes it more difficult to dps without taking damage. they aren't the same thing.



no, that isn't all bard is. an excellent bard is quite capable of 115 single target dps on mistress. while that's quite a bit lower than what the blms and mnks are doing, it's also really fucking hard because dpsing isn't all the bard is doing. the distance advantage also doesn't mean the job doesn't have an incredibly high skill ceiling. it just means it's easier to pick up and smash your face on the keyboard a few times to dps without taking too much unnecessary damage.

correlation does not imply causation.

i'll believe you about bard being really easy when it becomes standard for every single bard in the game to easily hit melee with BV+paeon, backline with BV+ballad (or minuet, if you prefer), then proceed to top 110 dps while tossing spot heals at hairy moments.

I'll actually cede my point and agree with you, and reword what I was going for.


I think Monk is the most difficult to play without taking party-crippling damage.

BRD, Dragoon, can all be played relatively "Safely" and still do adequate damage. However, like you said it takes going above and beyond to become great at either.


Out of curiousity, Is you bard stacking Dexterity or Piety? I've only capped out at ~ 100 DPS on Miser and ~200 DPS on Princess with a DEX Build, but haven't done any theorycrafting on PIE vs. DEX.


Edit: I forgot to mention my first love, Paladin. I'll agree it has a high skill ceiling for a Paladin, But what encounter does going the extra mile really help on right now? I can only think of Coincounter, where you're better off being GLA. Besides Coincounter where you can get 1shot if you don't have proper gear, all other fights WHMs usually sit on fill MP Nuking cause healing isn't very demanding anyway

[Tango]

Out of curiousity, Is you bard stacking Dexterity or Piety? I've only capped out at ~ 100 DPS on Miser and ~200 DPS on Princess with a DEX Build, but haven't done any theorycrafting on PIE vs. DEX.

Stat Caps for BRD: 335pie, 300dex
Very easy to hit with double dex gloves, double pie body, paragon crown, HQ jewelry

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IE-ATK-Testing