Another Bahamut? Why not Odin? (SMN 7.0 job action PLL feedback)

[Raikai]

and now we get another higher level of bahamut. FFVII has 3 different bahamut summons. It's cool.

Yeah they do, but by that logic the Solar Bahamut should've been a trait upgrade to the regular Bahamut since those summons in FF7 are different, but upgrades. By the time you get the 3rd, you no longer will be using the 1st one.

[HikariKurosawa]

Yeah they do, but by that logic the Solar Bahamut should've been a trait upgrade to the regular Bahamut since those summons in FF7 are different, but upgrades. By the time you get the 3rd, you no longer will be using the 1st one.

Comparing ffvii summons to mmo rotations is apples to oranges. We'll start out with regular bahamut, do an eikon phase, get fired up with phoenix, do another eikon phase, and then we enter solar bahamut for the climax of the rotation. Then another eikon phase and the loop starts over with regular bahamut. It's more exciting this way. If it was just a trait upgrade, the job would play the same with newer animations and higher potency.

Personally I don't get the disappointment, but to each their own. Everyone wants different stuff and you can only get one outcome.

[Xeronia]

Comparing ffvii summons to mmo rotations is apples to oranges. We'll start out with regular bahamut, do an eikon phase, get fired up with phoenix, do another eikon phase, and then we enter solar bahamut for the climax of the rotation. Then another eikon phase and the loop starts over with regular bahamut. It's more exciting this way. If it was just a trait upgrade, the job would play the same with newer animations and higher potency.

Personally I don't get the disappointment, but to each their own. Everyone wants different stuff and you can only get one outcome.

My issue is the rotation we were told was Solar Bahamut->Bahamut->Solar Bahamut->Phoenix. I personally feel that is a bit too long and forcing Solar Bahamut in twice is an interesting pick for something acquired so late into the game.

[Raikai]

Comparing ffvii summons to mmo rotations is apples to oranges. We'll start out with regular bahamut, do an eikon phase, get fired up with phoenix, do another eikon phase, and then we enter solar bahamut for the climax of the rotation. Then another eikon phase and the loop starts over with regular bahamut. It's more exciting this way. If it was just a trait upgrade, the job would play the same with newer animations and higher potency.

Personally I don't get the disappointment, but to each their own. Everyone wants different stuff and you can only get one outcome.

I suggested a trait upgrade so to give room for a brand new Demi as the 3rd one. We could still get a new flashy Bahamut and something else without overly crowding the rotation with Demis.

[HikariKurosawa]

My issue is the rotation we were told was Solar Bahamut->Bahamut->Solar Bahamut->Phoenix. I personally feel that is a bit too long and forcing Solar Bahamut in twice is an interesting pick for something acquired so late into the game.

It would make sense to have it as the opener because then it would line up with raid buffs, but yeah that cycle seems excessively long. At the same time though, it makes it so solar bahamut always lines up with 60/120sec raid buffs. Seems logical to me and more satisfying to always maximize potency for raid buff windows. You'll have the super solar bahamut on 120 second windows, and the more chill one on 60 second windows.

I suggested a trait upgrade so to give room for a brand new Demi as the 3rd one. We could still get a new flashy Bahamut and something else without overly crowding the rotation with Demis.

So you think summoner should get 2 new demi summons in one expansion? That's a lot of budget for one job. Also it's a waste of current bahamut to just phase it out. The animations have their own identity and the asset of bahamut itself is really good.

[LynxDubh]

So you think summoner should get 2 new demi summons in one expansion? That's a lot of budget for one job. Also it's a waste of current bahamut to just phase it out. The animations have their own identity and the asset of bahamut itself is really good.

They made 3 whole demi's when they reworked the class in EW. Why would anything less be out of the realm of possibility?

[HikariKurosawa]

They made 3 whole demi's when they reworked the class in EW. Why would anything less be out of the realm of possibility?

Those are direct asset recycles of primals from ARR lol. Solar bahamut is brand new just like phoenix was when it was added. I had this idea in another thread though, that going forward they could add a unique set of three eikons for each demi summon's followup. Right now bahamut phoenix and solar bahamut all unlock the same 3 ifrit garuda and titan. Going forward from 8.0 that would potentially mean adding 3-6 new eikons to really lean heavily into the summoner job fantasy.

[Katish]

Those are direct asset recycles of primals from ARR lol. Solar bahamut is brand new just like phoenix was when it was added. I had this idea in another thread though, that going forward they could add a unique set of three eikons for each demi summon's followup. Right now bahamut phoenix and solar bahamut all unlock the same 3 ifrit garuda and titan. Going forward from 8.0 that would potentially mean adding 3-6 new eikons to really lean heavily into the summoner job fantasy.

Don't play summoner but this is probably untrue given it looks like the new bahamut is using the skeleton and possibly the entire model (with a material change). The direction they took was to save resources, they won't outright say that but it is very apparent. I feel bad for SMNers tbh, saving money on a class they cut down to save money on is ironic at best lel. Still, there will people to defend this which is baffling to me.

[LynxDubh]

Those are direct asset recycles of primals from ARR lol. Solar bahamut is brand new just like phoenix was when it was added. I had this idea in another thread though, that going forward they could add a unique set of three eikons for each demi summon's followup. Right now bahamut phoenix and solar bahamut all unlock the same 3 ifrit garuda and titan. Going forward from 8.0 that would potentially mean adding 3-6 new eikons to really lean heavily into the summoner job fantasy.

Then the Ramuh, Levi, and Shiva assets from ARR would give them plenty of leeway to add those too.

[Ayden]

Comparing ffvii summons to mmo rotations is apples to oranges. We'll start out with regular bahamut, do an eikon phase, get fired up with phoenix, do another eikon phase, and then we enter solar bahamut for the climax of the rotation. Then another eikon phase and the loop starts over with regular bahamut. It's more exciting this way. If it was just a trait upgrade, the job would play the same with newer animations and higher potency.

Personally I don't get the disappointment, but to each their own. Everyone wants different stuff and you can only get one outcome.

Judging from the job trailer, even with the 3rd demi, the job will play exactly the same except we get to press the new Searing Light follow-up action every 2 minutes (replacing Ruin 3 presumably)