Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
When it comes to spammers, we're back to subjective opinion. The game's definition for spammer seems to be someone who fills the chat window completely with rapid repetition of a specific message so that others are unable to converse. Repeating the same message once every 5-10 minutes isn't going to be considered spam under that definition.

RMT activity is handled by the Special Task Force and not the GMs as a rule. The ad spambots do get banned on a weekly basis. But there's no way to stop RMT from making new accounts and characters to continue the spam.


What terrible policy are you referring to? That they don't immediately ban someone just on your personal say so?

Just because you want something to be done does not mean that it should be done.

Adding someone to a blacklist doesn't mean you're living in ignorance. You should know that with your personal extensive use of the blacklist to the point you don't have room to add this one character to it.

Learn which battles are worth fighting and which aren't. You may not agree with this other player and the message they're sharing but nothing you've said makes it sound like it's mean-spirited or damaging in any way, only that it could be annoying.

And yes, my life did improve immensely once I taught myself what battles are worth fighting and what can be safely ignored. I wouldn't say I'm very happy but I'm a lot happier than I was when I was obsessed with petty stuff and things that can't be changed. People will be people. Some will end up an annoyance depending on your personal preferences but they're rarely causing any actual harm to anyone.

Instead of investing your energy into trying to fight this particular battle, put the player on ignore and invest the energy into playing the game. Or don't and stay angry because you can't get others to see things your way. Your life, your choice.


Sorry you felt that you had to delete your character. With the improved blacklist coming in Dawntrail, hopefully no one will feel that's a necessary step ever again.

But your situation was very different from what the OP's situation is. The OP is way overreacting here and refuses to use a simple tool that would remove what's annoying them from their chat.


Venue ads might be spam or might not be. Are they annoying to those not interested in the venues? Sure, but they're also easily ignored if you're actively playing the game instead of using all your time to hang out in Limsa.

The OP's complaint doesn't seem to really be about venues, though. They seem to be about one particular player who has posted a message with a religious overtone in shout chat on multiple occasions (they had mentioned this is in a bit more detail in the other thread they mention was deleted by the moderators).

People tend to skim past the following statement in the Prohibited Activities policy:



While discussion of topics that tend to prompt sensitive reactions are discouraged, they are not outright prohibited. What is prohibited is discriminatory speech that is intolerant of differing points of view or intended to begin arguments between players.

As an example, someone saying "Remember Jesus loves you, I hope you have a great day!" isn't prohibited. Unless other things were said to give it a different context, it comes across as friendly and caring. Regardless of your personal spiritual beliefs, there's not really anything offensive to be found in what the player said. The GMs have no reason to take action against that player.

If what they had said was "If you don't love Jesus, you're damned to Hell", that would be considered discriminatory and inflammatory. The GMs probably would choose to take action against the player at that point.

Are some players going to be sensitive to religious references for any number of reasons? Yes. But all they have to do is put that player on their blacklist, along with any other players that might choose to turn that into a discussion, and they won't have to listen to it anymore. Personal issue, simple solution.

So the OP reports the other player for putting a religious reference into shout chat, GMs review what's said against what's in the Prohibited Activties policy, finds it's not actually prohibited and so don't take action against the player. OP gets mad that the other player can continue to post a religious reference into shout chat and decides to try to get them silenced for "spam" or "nuisance behavior". They refuse to put the player on their blacklist because They Must Know! what the other player says so they can report it. Again, GMs review and don't find what the other player is doing to be prohibited under the policy. OP starts to rage and takes it to the forums, where they get very little sympathy because few people like someone trying to shut down another person's ability to express a non-discriminatory opinion.
It's really not worth it to engage with you either, we're both clearly set in our own thoughts. You think the GM team is infallible, I think they're terrible and need to change to be better.

So lets start with this misunderstanding you have: I'm not referring to someone posting messages with "religious overtones." I wasn't even aware that was a thread at some point. So I'm not really sure where you got that from and why you're attributing it to me. If you read my original post clearly (which you did not) I stated it was multiple people. Now, to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you mistook me saying "the same names (yes, it's always the same character)" as meaning one individual. What I meant was, it's the same names and worlds for each person, not the same name but a different world. So your whole assumption with your last paragraph is... it's just wrong. You're wrong. I don't know what else to say about it other than you're flat out wrong.

The pf venue spam is absurd and I genuinely think something should be done about it. I'm personally not holding out hope for Dawntrail's filters to actually work. They said there will be chat filters, which is great, that's a step in the right direction, but knowing SQenix's history, I highly doubt these filters will apply to party finder. I will be shocked if I am wrong about this and will happily declare that I was wrong. I want to be wrong about this because it means they're actually taking a step in the right direction.

Now, to go back to the pf venue spam, because I know some people are going to come out and say "lmao this person wants to ban rpers" kind of like what you're doing in saying "OP wants to silence others," I'm not actually against ads. I'm not. I think it's great that there's such a large community around this scene. I don't personally interact with it, but more power to them. My issue is when there's too many of the same listing. I don't understand what's so hard about being courteous and stopping to think for a second "do we really need 8 different posts for this" and coming to the conclusion that no, we actually don't need this many. This leads me back to my first interaction with you on this thread when I told you the blacklist isn't infinite. I shouldn't have to blacklist 8 new names every two weeks to keep that section somewhat readable. It shouldn't be an issue in the first place, it should've been shut down ages ago. This is not how it's always been, this is something that's new to Endwalker. I remember when having as many as 3 listings for the same thing was considered, politely, "rude."

So now that I've gone through that, let me repeat my points for at least the sixth or seventh time on this particular thread. I believe the GM team should communicate more. I believe the GM team should be able to tell you "we don't think this is against Terms of Service." I believe the GM team should be able to give you a solid answer on that. I don't believe the GM should rely on "Although we cannot inform you of the outcome due to privacy reasons..." excuse because frankly, it's crap. How is it that so many other games are able to let you know "hey someone you reported had action taken against them" but yet the infallible Square Enix can't? It's crap, that's why.

On top of that, I have no idea what sort of thread you're reading because there's definitely a good mix of people here going "yeah the GM team is great" and "yeah the GM team kind of sucks." You're obviously in the former camp, I'm in the latter camp.

I reiterate. They're ineffective. I don't know if it's the team or the policies, but once again, it's ineffective. I don't believe that someone should get banned for "killing too many mobs" when they were trying to spawn an S rank. Remember that thread? What about back in October, the guy who streamed himself hacking in PvP and got banned from 4 or 5 different streaming sites before getting suspended from XIV? What about the people who get banned for using mods, only to have the devs turn around and put them into the game? What about the blatant disregard for the ToS by some people from the venue community? You walk into a club, you see a yell chat and ooooooh they're crafty. "My sink is named X and my sink's password is Y" as if someone's going to look at that and think "Oh, that person must have a smart sink." It's ridiculous. It's a clown show.

Now that you've built your argument around mistaking me for someone else, please move the goalposts.