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  1. #171
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I guess when you come down to it pre ShB 14 is a totally different game isn’t it
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  2. #172
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Wow such a jerk. Not all players are like you. Some have invested more and wanted the job to stay what it is.

    Seraph could have stayed as an LB3 and i will die on that hill. Allowing her to be summonable outside LB3 lost the impact it has, whatever's left of it.
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  3. #173
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    And yes, wings do not have anything to do with fairies, my bad.
    Ah yes, I forgot, fairies are well known for having golden feathery wings. How stupid of me to expect fairy transformation to include butterfly like wings like most VFX on sch fairy related things.
    (5)
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

  4. #174
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    ArcaviusGreyashe's Avatar
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    Sikah'to Tahqa
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    PreSHB XIV was more connected to fairies, and I'm only a jerk because I disagree with you. You're a jerk to people that like the fairy-aspected SCH. Once again, it's alright.
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  5. #175
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    I'm personally fine with summoning seraph. I am however not fine on becoming THE seraph.
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  6. #176
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    Paladin Lv 90
    No. You are a jerk for telling people to switch to a job that is similar to their liked aesthetic. First of all, we like SCH for the military tactician theme with it since 2.x. Now they're going for this route.

    Never have I mentioned that I didn't like the fairies. I may have liked Carbuncle more but that's just about it.

    And don't worry, if I didn't like the direction SE is doing to its game, I can vote with my wallet. I am just one vocal customer airing their distaste with the direction of the product they have supported for a long time.
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  7. #177
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Pre ShB SCH had more fairy skills but it was more focused on the fairy being a tool for the SCH to exploit, it’s why Selene was the support fairy. Think back in SB the fairy really only had 3 heals (embrace, whispering dawn and rouse for usually whispering dawn and you could argue illumination). Focus shifted towards the fairy being the primary means of SCH healing moving into ShB which reduced the thematic effects of skills like dissipation because it retroactively made it look like the fairy was less tool and more “the actual healer in the pair”

    Regardless how focused SCH is or isn’t on fairies, it’s 100% not focused on angels which is what Seraphism is

    Also a personal criticism when SCH was a poison mage it was unequivocally the “masculine” healer in my eyes. I don’t want forced robes. I desperately organise my healer glams to avoid this. Why would they think forcing this is a good idea
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  8. #178
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    ArcaviusGreyashe's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    No. You are a jerk for telling people to switch to a job that is similar to their liked aesthetic. First of all, we like SCH for the military tactician theme with it since 2.x.
    I mean, we all can agree I never saw the military tactician theme as prevalent since 2.x, and that's up to every individual's pov, most of my friends view it as the fairy class, you don't, that's it.

    But what was I supposed to tell you as to not be a jerk ? "Just unsub" ? I'm telling you if you want an intellectual and "tactical" healer, you can go SGE. If you want a buffer, you can go AST. I'm not being rude, I'm telling you it's not that bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Regardless how focused SCH is or isn’t on fairies, it’s 100% not focused on angels which is what Seraphism is

    Also a personal criticism when SCH was a poison mage it was unequivocally the “masculine” healer in my eyes. I don’t want forced robes. I desperately organise my healer glams to avoid this. Why would they think forcing this is a good idea
    Nevertheless, I do admit I was being a bit too sarcastic there. I don't really like the fact the transformation seems much more light-aspected than fairy-aspected, because that's just making SCH a subsidiary of WHM, and I dislike that, just as you do. That's however been the case for a while, so I was not expecting much, hence why I'm not that disappointed.

    Regarding the masculine part... I get it, I just don't think robes are inherently not masculine. Once again, that's up to interpretation.
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  9. #179
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Yeah I mean taking a “if you have no expectations you can’t be disappointed” is probably the best thing for your heart health if you are healer main in this game
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  10. #180
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    Rawker Stone
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    But what was I supposed to tell you as to not be a jerk ? "Just unsub" ? I'm telling you if you want an intellectual and "tactical" healer, you can go SGE. If you want a buffer, you can go AST. I'm not being rude, I'm telling you it's not that bad.
    And I have nothing against people who saw it as such. But the thing that caught my attention was just bluntly telling others that there are other jobs for them to play when some... I'm not going to lie, I include myself, have loved the job as it was presented, at relaunch. The aesthetics, the gameplay (old SCH) is so interesting and rewarding if you have made the right decision, every single time.

    I want that to retain.
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